Jesus was Born this Day

"Jesus was Born this Day," is a hymnal song that includes, Euouae.  Haven't heard the amen since the medieval times, thought I'd bring it back to present.

The chords are adventurous and don't make much sense.  However, this was the palette that I wanted for artificial intelligence to include.  AI, did pick up the tune very well, except for the Euouae that was wanted for Descant.  Anyone know how to do that in a prompt for AI?

I'm out of ideas, I even used the braille's "In accord," to get AI to pick up the command.

Other than that, the chorus was botched to good effect, read as the melody after a vowel chant.  In effect, AI made a new chorus.  Overall, the song is represented well, and I am happy with that.

Enjoy!

 

Jesus Was Born this Day_Harper.mid

Jesus Was Born this Day_Harper.mid Jesus Was Born on this Day (David Harper) - MSMT.mid

So what's the part in the "piece" that is composed by you but not generated by AI? If the part is small I doubt it should be counted as your entry.

Henry

Well, look at you Mr. PC.  My "AI Creation," really is 1:1 with my composition.  If you'd feel better with me being bullied out of the entry, by all means, so you may have more fun.

1 hour ago, Vonias said:

Well, look at you Mr. PC.  My "AI Creation," really is 1:1 with my composition.  If you'd feel better with me being bullied out of the entry, by all means, so you may have more fun.

Don't overact, I am just asking how much effort you put in your composition to consider it as your entry, because if someone just clicks a button and makes an entry, it will be unfair to other entrants who write their music 100%. So in your case it's 50% right?

Henry

The staff have discussed this issue and we have decided that we shouldn't allow AI-generated works into the event.  People who are going to try to get the "Ardent Reviewer" badge will be tasked with reviewing all the entries into the event and it would be unfair to require them to review an AI-generated work.  This is not bullying.

Right, but this isn't an AI generated work.  The score, and midi are my own.  It's an AI generated recording.

You generated the second score after the fact of the AI-recording.  So we don't know if the harmonies and melodies were generated by AI or by you because you could have simply generated them with the AI and then simply transcribed the result to get a score.

He's accusing me of just clicking a button to generate music.  I think you are missing the point here.  There was great effort in creating this piece.

If you're looking for reasons to exclude anyone during the holuday season, so be it.  Have a merry christmas.

Can you be clear as to what exactly is AI generated? I've used AI to create music using Suno, and it's never this harmonically intricate, not even close. Just clarify for us what role AI had in this piece.

12 hours ago, Vonias said:

Well, look at you Mr. PC.  My "AI Creation," really is 1:1 with my composition

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What AI?

I am unaware of any AI currently on the market that is capable of rendering sheet music as high-quality, "1:1" audio. If there was already such a thing, the sample library market would have imploded.

But you said you "Prompted" it. Well, I'm similarly unaware of any of the major music AIs being able to deliver anything 1:1 based on a description. If such a thing existed, Suno and whatever the other big one is would already have been trounced. I tried to get these things to generate just a drone all by itself and it couldn't even do that, so I don't believe that, based on a prompt, you got an AI to deliver these complex harmonies and such "1:1"

Absolutely no way.

@Vonias - The staff have discussed this further and come to the following conclusions:

1)  The Christmas Music Event is not a competition and there are no rules so there was no prohibition at the outset against AI music being submitted (we will include such a prohibition in future competitions)
2)  Anybody trying to get an Ardent Reviewer badge should be warned that AI was used to help in the process of producing any given piece of music and @Vonias does mention this in his description.

Therefore we've decided to reinstate your piece in this years Christmas Music Event!

Thank you.

5 hours ago, Vonias said:

He's accusing me of just clicking a button to generate music.  I think you are missing the point here.  There was great effort in creating this piece.

Actually can you read clearly on my words? I said:

14 hours ago, Henry Ng Tsz Kiu said:

because if someone just clicks a button and makes an entry, it will be unfair to other entrants who write their music 100%.

Unless you are the someone, you shouldn’t feel like I’m accusing you. That’s why I say you shouldn’t get overreacted.

Henry

3 hours ago, AngelCityOutlaw said:

What AI?

I am unaware of any AI currently on the market that is capable of rendering sheet music as high-quality, "1:1" audio. If there was already such a thing, the sample library market would have imploded.

But you said you "Prompted" it. Well, I'm similarly unaware of any of the major music AIs being able to deliver anything 1:1 based on a description. If such a thing existed, Suno and whatever the other big one is would already have been trounced. I tried to get these things to generate just a drone all by itself and it couldn't even do that, so I don't believe that, based on a prompt, you got an AI to deliver these complex harmonies and such "1:1"

Absolutely no way.

I am confused @AngelCityOutlaw.  First you say that there was no way that Vonias could have generated this using AI and then you withdraw your participation because you only want to participate alongside other human-generated works.  ???

1 hour ago, PeterthePapercomPoser said:

I am confused @AngelCityOutlaw.  First you say that there was no way that Vonias could have generated this using AI and then you withdraw your participation because you only want to participate alongside other human-generated works.  ???

 

What I said is that there is no way AI generated "just a recording" of his piece. When I googled, even when I asked ChatGPT, there is no AI presently that can generate an accurate — "1:1" as OP says — mockup recording. If there was, Spitfire would be closing their doors right now. 

He also says he prompted it. Okay well, do you actually believe he sat there and typed out an entire note-for-note description and it rendered it? If you believe that, then prompt the AI (he doesn't say which he used) and if you don't get the exact same result, then you know he's lying. I can't get Suno to generate a solo drone, never mind a precise multi-voice harmony for choir that is 1:1 what I'd write.

What has most likely happened here, is he is passing off an AI generated track as "his" work because it fit the "vision" he had or something and is providing you with a transcription. Until someone provides evidence and can replicate this piece with the same prompts or software, there is no reason to believe otherwise.

Hi my dear readers, it's me again. I don't understand many things here, but first things first. 

Imagine that I say this piece is evidently made by AI. It would be very easy to prove me wrong, @Vonias. Instead of submitting .mid files, a better, more detailed description of the process you followed would have clarified all posters here of what you did and what you have not done with it. Personally I don't care a single bit about that but we'll get to that point later.
Please, consider that you are in a place filled by trained & experienced musicians and some of us have passed hundreds of hours listening to pieces just to give feedback out of  either a brief or a more in-depth analysis. For some, not specifying that you were helped by an AI to make a better recording of your work and ambiguously describe it or talk about it with phrases like:

On 12/1/2025 at 4:24 AM, Vonias said:

However, this was the palette that I wanted for artificial intelligence to include.  AI, did pick up the tune very well, except for the Euouae that was wanted for Descant.  Anyone know how to do that in a prompt for AI?

may very well lead to confusion and even anger among others who consciously decided against using this tools in order to participate in an event in which ultimately your compositional ability is what we want people to show off, review and comment. 

Various AI tools exist to "help" with that recognition, but they are still in beta (mostly) and their own creators advise against using them as reliable methods. I took the liberty to pass the audio to some, despite you confirmed that the recording is AI:
It basically says "Pure AI" 90% and provides a model. Tell me —if you want—  if it hit it, this will make this developer's work better.

But the thing is that you say everything else is not AI-generated. And this is where we get into trouble here.
There are two different pieces here. A pdf submitted along the creation of the post that has little to do with the final mp3 you provided and the score that apparently resembles the mp3, according to you, 1:1?

What's exactly the relation between the first and second scores? I can see some, let's say "adventurous" chords in the first score but not that many in the second.

First score is half the size, begins with a different voicing. Rhythms don't really coincide, lyrics rest at different places "angel____ vs. an-gel cries___" . Midis are all over the place but you can clearly see the difference. Just pointed out some. 


What @AngelCityOutlaw is pointing out is mostly in the right direction but:

33 minutes ago, AngelCityOutlaw said:

prompt the AI (he doesn't say which he used) and if you don't get the exact same result, then you know he's lying

That would not work. You need a seed too. If you do that yourself twice with the same material (and without fixing the seed) you'll get different things if you don't specify the same seed to the model, whatever it be. It happens with music, but also with LLMs and Image & video generators. And there are various tools to treat, import and export midis. Generating high-quality products using it is a whole 'nother story yes, but we ain't talking about one here, this is a <1 minute composition. 

Finally let me tell you that I don't mind if you just made the whole thing via AI, a part, or whatever. I would prefer you and anybody else in that situation to be honest and clarify things from the beginning to the rest of us who most likely are prone to and will have a listen to your piece, perhaps even giving some also honest feedback in exchange. Regarding that, the audio doesn't seem quite fitting. The strange autotune sound that the AI apparently gives to the singers sometimes and the strange cuts in vibrato feel off. The piece lacks development but it's a short "poem" more or less, right? 

For more info on this topic of using AI to make/export/import music on many formats, an AI that I have enslaved using a rectangular plastic card that spits money, may show you the way. Or maybe not, who knows:
https://www.perplexity.ai/search/can-suno-or-similar-programs-e-2dN_8OipSNCC93.FtFGJoA?sm=d#0


Perhaps I'm late to the party, but these are my two cents. Sorry for my possible typos in advance... I am too sleepy. Regards!