Glory to God

My 2nd submission titled “Glory to God”

I wrote the lyrics and included bible verses. The song is about God’s goodness and the reason for the season.

I used AI, so if you don’t like AI, just don’t listen to it or make any comments on my post. Thanks!

This image was also generated by AI Grok

Hi, welcome to the forums SeekJohn14v6!

I kind of like AI overall I guess, but after listening to this theme you brought here thrice and listening to hundreds of other AI-prompted stuff I would say that I get more or less the same feeling that comes over me when I listen to this kind of "contemporary" music where, more often than not, one could replace parts of the score by "make random noises" and call it a day or additionally scramble the passages and play them disordered. It's not really that I don't like it (some I do NOT like it at all), but that I feel it and find it gray and boring.

Judging by your recent posts here guess that you're satisfied with your work already, and I probably would if I was in your position. In fact, I am when it comes to make thumbnails for videos using Stable Diffusion or similar stuff (and then editing them, I must say). This adds up to the little feedback I could give you, unfortunately.

I am no lyricist, and English is not my native language, so I'm not much into the world of lyrics so I cannot really point you towards a place where your stuff may be much more appreciated. This is not to say some people will appreciate or at least get impressed by what you have presented here, but I am unfortunately certain there won't be many people commenting on your stuff for any other reason than discussing if your use of AI should be considered a work or not... Perhaps another lyricist somewhere? The thing is there's little to comment since it makes little sense for most to explain what may have room for improvement, musically speaking. This usually helps composers, they rethink stuff and improve on their mistakes. But this is almost nothing like that.

Now, I have read somewhere else that you clarify that these pieces are AI generated because you don't want to be a deceiver. That would be like showing AI art in some artists' forum and calling it a day expecting nobody would notice or suspect, right? From your POV it would be easy to deceive people into thinking this mp3 you submitted is not made by AI, I get you. However, and getting the AI song checkers out of the equation, to me and many others here in this cozy lil' forum, this would have hit as AI from the beginning to the end, which is again not necessarily bad, after all I'm just suggesting that many of us here are mostly pretty capable of distinguishing between AI music and non-AI music specially in these more pseudo-bombastic cases. It's an acquired thing. Maybe in a year or two, it'd pass. Depends on how profitable being as meticulous as possible ends up being. 

I am glad that you can make your ideas real and your lyrics go live with this technology and 0% or a small fraction of what an actual group or a producer would charge you to recording that. This technology will hopefully improve in the coming years and you'll be able to remake stuff better. At the end of the day, again, if you're satisfied, little else matters. But let me tell you that the world of composition is wide, and if you someday decide to venture deeper on it, you may understand why AI-pieces at this very moment are not much convincing to someone like me, musically speaking.  

That said, I am sure your album and pieces can get a good audience. Masses will never be that nitpicky, and this —and any random prompt as well ngl— is on par or better than half of the mainstream music produced nowadays 😆.


Best of luck and Happy new year!
Daniel–Ø.

 

Nice lyrics, and the overall direction and structure of this song is solid. Very calming and the style is fun.

You're in a forum where you may have a tough audience because most of us here are composers in some capacity, myself included. Maybe one day you will want to learn this art beyond prompting (lyric writing is a skill too which people should not dismiss here). But in the meantime, you're having fun with Suno which helps create more an interest I believe. I also use AI to create musical parodies btw, my main goal is to create laughs with catchy tunes and lyrics. So my stance on this matter will be a little more on the interesting side, especially coming from someone who is developing a music notation application!

@Omicronrg9 Thank you for your courteous message. You may not think you were giving me any good feed back but I think you gave me a lot of good feed back. Your ears are professionally trained so now I know that even if I didn’t disclose this as AI, you would have know anyways. That means a lot to me because now I will be even more meticulous in editing and iterating my songs so even the smallest hiccup or odd sound would make me remake it.

Can you tell me exactly what kind of sounds would give a song away to be AI? I am no composer but I do play some guitar and I can hear mistakes easily with guitar since I play it a little.

I want to know what you hear to discover if something is AI.

You speak english more fluently than most people lol, I myself have english as a second language.

Also i redid my song because when I listened to it again I heard several mistakes that really bugged me. Also I didn’t think it was grand enough for a song that is supposed to be glorifying God. I’m happier with this newer version.

To be honest I only started this AI music thing cuz Grok told me about it, I am pretty amazed with this technology and I genuinely enjoy it a lot, I can put my thoughts and feelings into a song, I have something to leave my friends and the world. My main goal really is to let people know about God and how God loves them and how He has given us a way to be in heaven.

Music is a fast way of doing that and since my music is distributed on most music platforms, my message will be there even after I die.

Thanks again for your nice message and may God bless you! Happy New Year Daniel!

- Voltaire

@chopin Thanks! I redid it cuz i heard several mistakes that were bad and it wasn’t grand enough for a song about glorifying God in my opinion. I like this newer one better, I think I got rid of all or almost all of the mistakes.

I’m not really sure exactly what a composer is, I can ask Grok I guess but can you tell me what it is to you for a more detailed answer?

My assumption of it is somebody who makes like a orchestra or something and makes music for everyone in there to make them all sound good including lyrics.

Music notation is that sheet music? I’m lazy lol only thing I know is tab. Got like a site that is noob friendly for composing? 

Also your program does it listen to a song and writes a music sheet? that would be great cuz i got 1 guitar song i practice and idk how to write it in tab, much less music sheet form.

I’d love to hear your songs, sounds interesting. Thanks for your nice comments.

I understand how people are, I used to turn my nose at things that I didn’t think was the right way to do it. Then I just grew up and stopped caring as much, so what if they do something that way, they are having fun or they are new and they are still learning. Also they aren’t harming me or others, I’m just wasting time and stressing about something that ultimately doesn’t matter at all in the grand scheme of things. Anyways excuse my mini rant lol. Thanks again Chopin!

Hi again! 

 

2 hours ago, SeekJohn14v6 said:

Can you tell me exactly what kind of sounds would give a song away to be AI?

I'll try. Here you go:

• I don't know if it's just me, but I do listen to some gray noise when there's more instrument density, for example. 

• The voices that Suno and similar stuff produce, at least from my experience, sound all generic and have little to no personality. It's already a miracle that the timbre more or less is kept constant. Soon, it will be impossible to distinguish between these pieces and usual mainstream productions, specially when a guy who knows its craft takes it and modifies it accordingly. 

• Structurally is usually a "mess", AI is still learning that and it keeps improving. Harmonic simplicity of most songs it produces helps obscuring the fact that it's kinda bad organising material at the middle of them. They work superficially, anyway, and would work for the masses IMO. In the last example you uploaded, there was a great opportunity to repeat the chorus at the end one more time than what it does.

• In some songs, instruments, voices, and stuff, appear and disappear at places strangely. Where's the flute and violin at the beginning of the piece? Later on 1:45~ I do listen to some string synths, but that's another unexpected appearance. Thing is that AI doesn't care about the internal coherence but about the output and if it works similarly to LLMs (which I don't know, because I have not delved deep into music AI bots behind the scenes) it's just making the "best guess possible" but it's not building music the way I and others would. Despite it being a way different technology, this feels to me like when Stockfish (chess bot) gets "inhuman" moves in chess, but instead of on par or better than the human alternative, music AI goes to a less convincing path.

However, the way either I or others make music is not the only way, obviously. I do make scores, and then record them or tell the computer to play them for me. Some others don't make scores, they use a DAW and make the score afterwards (or not). Some others prefer recording directly and adding stuff in production. Some others use presets. And there are nuances on each way of doing this craft so, in summary, I would dare to state something like "the further away you get from the details you can tweak in each phase of music composition & production, the closer AI gets to your imitate your work". At least in my experience. And just as a personal note, I would insist in the fact that AI may only reach the complexity it needs to satisfy the masses. 

Here I attach some AI examples that I found on a telegram group. These ain't mine, but from people that prompted it with lyrics that AI generated as well. They're done by 3 different people but to me their differences lie in the surface. The tool is still not subtle enough, but I am afraid that I myself will not be able to tell AI songs and mainstream media songs apart. 

Finally, in regards of AI song checkers, they may fail in my experience. That's a game I don't play but they must be playing an interesting cat-and-mouse game. 
 

3 hours ago, SeekJohn14v6 said:

I’m not really sure exactly what a composer is, I can ask Grok I guess but can you tell me what it is to you for a more detailed answer?

Perhaps not my call, but this is a good question. For me, a composer, or a good one, is a prestidigitator of music. Someone able to create their own music from its very conception to the smallest of details. An architect of the score. A composer can make what Suno made for you, but he chooses if he wants the guitar at ~5:20 is doing that Fsus4/Bbsus2 arpeggio, for how long, and if it should be Bb F Bb F C F Bb all 8ths or another line, etc, based on things that he put (or did not put yet) in the score. You, as the composer, decide everything. You even decide what you don't want to decide. You yourself set the variables, each and every one of them. You decide if fixing them or not and how. And you keep doing so, and get better and better at it. The key, the structure, the meter, the instruments, how and when they interact with each other... And a large etcetera.

And you do not delegate: in order to make a good melody, you must study and practice how to make them. In order to make a good and convincing harmony or a good counterpoint (vertical and horizontal POVs), you do the same. Texture, color, etc. You keep learning and incorporating things you like into what eventually becomes your own set of tools that define your particular voice.

Perhaps this is a radical way of describing a composer and what he does but welp, this is more or less my view on it.

 

4 hours ago, SeekJohn14v6 said:

Music notation is that sheet music? I’m lazy lol only thing I know is tab. Got like a site that is noob friendly for composing? 

TAB is also music notation. Pretty useful at times. Just like with music notation overall, some despise it, some praise it. Sheet music can have TABS,  staves (Here's an example of an arrangement I made the other dayThird Eye (Arr.).pdf, these are regular staves), or other kinds of music notation. It can be just chords, or indications, or entire different systems. And yeah I get learning it can be seen as a tedious task, it is what it is. Personally I love it and the main reason I got into music when I was like 4 was because I wanted to understand the symbols of a book called "the day the songs fell silent". Think that spotify may close someday, but if you have your scores secured in many formats, not only people will be able to listen to your works 100 years after, they will be able to understand them, study them, cover them, etc. Results won't be as bombastic as AI-prompting because there's a full layer of music production that I have not mentioned much that AI integrates good enough. You may have much less control over the result, but results are already eye-candy for many. 

My two cents. 


Kind regards!

The main thing about AI music is that it's predictable and boring. After the initial wow that's cool factor, it follows pretty strict templates. Sure it's getting better but compared to a human composition, you lose the creativity. Something like Beethoven's 5th Symphony could never be created by AI. I do an analysis of this symphony here, and you will see why AI can't really do this after you watch my analysis. This video actually helps answer what a composer is too.

If AI outputs anything good, it's because its trained on music created by humans. This is why it is important that composer's don't lose their craft. AI music won't improve, and it will get dumber if humans stop composing!

@Omicronrg9 Thanks for the nice insight, I’m still new to suno, my creations are still simple and I don’t know all the tricks yet. Some others showed me some stuff on it and how you can literally make your lyrics play in a certain key or note, or how to make it add more feeling to words whether, happy, sad or angry. So there’s like a lot, basically I just know ABC and not the notes in between. I only started this about 2 weeks ago when Grok told me about it. The more I learn, the more my stuff will get better and thanks to your feedback, it will be better faster.

The AI songs you posted sounds nice, I’m not sure what you were trying to tell me about them though?

Also the AI song checkers, wouldn’t they get messed up if the AI song was just re-recorded so when the song checker checks the file, it won’t find things that was on the original file since the new file is just a regular recording? 😭🤣

Your sheet music looks cool, yea its a pain in the butt and thats probably why I didn’t bother to learn it. But you make good points. I want to hear your piece you showed me cuz looking at it does nothing for me Lol. Just looks nice.

My skillset is a driver and a diesel mechanic, gamer; basically how i think is, how do i do something faster and get the same results. I know there are different ways to do something but if it gets the same result with less time then why would I do it any other way?

Which is probably why I don’t learn sheet music and i rarely write tab anyways. Right now the fastest way is writing lyrics and programming Suno to play how I want it and boom I got a song. 
 

Compared to; writing lyrics, look for singers, try to learn my guitar more or just look for good guitarists then look for a bassist, a pianist, a composer, a studio engineer, a manager. Spend a lot of time looking for all this and then spend a lot of money. Then make sure everybody gets along together AND make sure the music actually sounds good AND sounds how I want it to sound like for my vision and the feeling I want my lyrics to evoke AND if the people do not get along or someone is not skilled enough then I would have to spend more time looking for other people.

So yea basically with Suno, I can do all of that and save a crap ton of time and money and I don’t have to deal with different personalities and I control how I want my lyrics to sound like. There’s probably programs out there to write out my suno songs in sheet form so i probably don’t even need to learn that either.

This may sound bad or terrible to you but that’s just how I operate as a driver/mechanic/gamer. When I logically lay it all out like this, to me it’s a no brainer and the fact that tomorrow I could die and if I was making music any other way, i’d be dead with my lyrics on a sheet of paper and never turned into a song.

But at this moment I already have 2 albums and 21 songs out on most music platforms so if i died right this moment, the only regret would be that I didn’t finish this album I’m making right now and the world won’t hear these songs. 

So yea anyways that’s my thoughts on all that. Just so people would understand why I do what I do.

On the sheet music thing you were talking about. We would have to engrave our sheet music into rocks or something if the internet goes down if you want it to last. Somewhere on a mountain so less chance of people destroying it but even then someone might find it and break it anyways cuz you know thats just how people are.

Also, nice explanation of a composer 👌

@chopin Not gonna lie, I watched your video and I know it was well made and you are a master of your craft but I could not understand Lol. It’s like a child trying to understand what adults are talking about. 

Like people playing pokemon to just catch them all vs people who do competitive battling and know how to raise and breed their pokemon and have egg moves and movesets to complement their team and make their pokemon stronger than just leveling them up regularly.

If you haven’t played pokemon then that wouldn’t make sense and thats how I felt when I watched your video 🤣 I know its good though lol.

Like I was telling Daniel, there’s more customization to be done in suno and i’m literally only 2 weeks in to learning this tool. Some other people who have been using this tool has told me that you can really customize how your song would sound all the way to individual notes and how they sing.

With AI once it learns something, it just builds on it so lets say a composer has been composing for 50 years. AI can learn all this persons skills and techniques in a fraction of the time. I know it’s unfair but that’s just how it is. A few years ago, AI could barely make videos that looked real but now, I cannot tell if a video is fake or not. I made my first music video with AI generated person and it looks real.

Anyways yea, not trying to dismiss human creativity or anything cuz without humans there would be no AI but just like any other tool we have made, our tools don’t get tired, they can do more work than 1 person, they can do a lot of things. Just think of cars, planes, whatever gadget we got that has made our lives easier and cursed at the same time.

I think you get what I’m saying, I just look at the facts and see where this is going. With all this said, what needs to be done is to prevent bad people from turning terminator and matrix into a reality.

So yea lemme hear your songs, hopefully it doesn’t fly over my head like your video xD only people who have learned and studied certain things would understand.