Symphony No. 1.....WHAT DO I DO NEXT?!?!?!

This is my first symphony. Plain and simple but somewhat enjoyable to me anyways. I was wondering where to go next.......I have a main theme and it is being repeated if you listen very hard. It is in G major and it is the first movement. I just need to know what to do next....I have come to a dead end. Thanks.

Musically,

T.J. Menzel

This is the Finale file....sorry for you people who arent updated but this is a 2007 file......and the wav. file will be coming shortly.

Symphony No. 1.MUS

let me know what ya think

http://www.savefile.com/files/377642

Theres the link to the midi.....have away at it......

You can attach MIDIs to your posts on this site, you know...

it was an mp3 file and i could find a converter from mp3 to midi......sorry...

You said,

Theres the link to the midi

And the file you posted a link to is neither a MIDI OR an Mp3 - it's a massive WAV file. I would recommend getting some software to convert the WAV to an Mp3, you'll have more luck with comments.

Oops.......my bad.......did you hear it.........have any comments for me?......

I will comment when I have time to put the Finale file on my other computer (it has finale 2007; I only have 2006 on this one).

Will someone please give me some constructive sriticism on this piece?

Besides it being dreadfully classical. It was good I liked it, if I may suggest something it will be this.

Take out a piece of paper and take three deep breaths and relax. Then imagine your piece like a river, it can be narrow, wide(loud, soft), the sand can be different(the instruments), and It can flow faster. Now draw your music like this on the piece of paper. Now think how many ways you can go with it using these three things pick one you like best and go with it. Always remember that it must be an interesting river though and not one people have traveled down many a time. This is my beef with the classicalness, but it is a wonderful place to start writing. Good luck and keep us posted.

P.S. Try to think of what you feel with this piece and other feelings that you can put with it.

I'm all about some KFC.

thats an interesting approach. A rather stupid and unmusical one, but interesting. I'm all about metaphors, but pieces resemble so many different things, pinning it to one is just unartistic. I would write out your theme on staff paper and play around with notes: mutate it, in essence, see what you come up with.

Hmmm, it is just a different way of looking at but it is not stupid in this context as whoever this is probably hasn't been writing very long and doesn't know how to format a song. I agree that music resembles many things, and it doesn't accurately describe it, but it covers format which is what this person needs at this moment. I personally look at things in the river theory not neccesarily the notes only please do not discredit anything for being unmusical. Music is pitches organized in an orderly fashion, but people forget it is also math in movement. And pinning something to one thing DOES NOT MAKE IT UNARTISTIC what about hundreds of pieces written the past couple hunderd years. People have done things such as Les Papplions(the butterflys again I didn't spell it right) which is all about ONE thing, butterflys. A word can describe a hundred things so basing something off one thing is definitely(spelled that wrong I think:blush: ) not unartistic. I could name a ton of pieces to you based off metaphors and even single words to describe the music.

I am curious how you write music so we can compare. I'll post a different link please check it out.

Then why did you present a beginner with such an abstract thought method? Beginning composers often don't do well under these circumstances.

Keyword: "personally". Which is the keyword in all music. If it works for you, so be it. I may discredit whichever I wish, thank you, last time I checked, you were a beginning composer.

Math and music are indefinitely related, but you're proving an irrelevant thesis when you're comparing something abstract and attributed to art and math. The two go together but not when you're trying to prove one of them to be true. You're basically saying "No, thinking of it like that is good because there is math involved."

This is music centered around one theme, yes. You were saying to try writing your music all based off of one theme: a river. No. Music is picturesque enough that the musical mind should pick up something like a river as an emotional manifestation. In this sense, the composer becomes sidetracked and writes his interpretation of, a river. Now, I'm certain that you didn't take this into account because you were simply making an analogy and a comparison, which I don't necessarily evilly disagree with you on, but the fact that you presented it as a compositional technique was wrong because of these small intricacies involved in music. It's also a bit of a higher level of thinking.

Sure, I'd love to hear some of your music :D. I have a piece posted in Major Works, if you care.

I was using the analogy to show him a creative way of making his piece have form and different parts, transition's ect. I was comparing it to something in real life because I thought he might understand it better. Hehe, I wasn't trying to show him how to write indvidual themes but more of the building plan not the intricicy(didn't spell that right) of the individual rooms as you move through them.

Sorry I didn't pick up on the personally. Of course all music is opinion.

I checked out your movements and I like them though the High C's in the horn makes me cringe. lol Playing those notes on a horn is a delicate thing.

Yes, I play horn but I also play in a drumline, and I play guitar so hear things differently. I would totally agree with you though that people who play an instrument tend to hear theirs more.

Speaking of the high notes I was talkin about your opening movement on the pdf on page 10 or 11 or so when you use those higher notes on the horn. If this is in the regular horn's key these notes would be impossible to play.

I swear to you I play the horn. Please do not be so spicy as to accuse me of something if I make a key translation mistake. It will get you no where pissing people off in life. If you were wise you would point out my mistake and prove it,I do not use inexperiance as an excuse.

You have a line Bb Bb Eb Eb Bb(last three a tripilet) which is the highest you go in the piece. This is all in the regular key for the Horn in your conductors score pdf as it appears to me and playing that high E is not at all in a good low range for the horn. More of an inaudible squeak in my opinion as high C for a horn in the key of F is about as high as you can go without it sounding like crap. Now in concert pitch these notes would be F F Bb Bb F. Now if Bb Bb Eb Eb Bb are in concert pitch. Then they would be the notes F F Bb Bb an Octave up from the last one. I do not see F being the highest note at all in here could you please explain to me my error if I made one. I made a key mistake when I said C I'm sorry.

I do not mean to challenge you in any way as some of my skills at composing are mediocre, while others alot better. Key translation is not my forte, but I do not see what you are saying with the F. I am confused. Im goin to bed now its 11 22 here.

Peace and GN

I was using the analogy to show him a creative way of making his piece have form and different parts, transition's ect. I was comparing it to something in real life because I thought he might understand it better. Hehe, I wasn't trying to show him how to write indvidual themes but more of the building plan not the intricicy(didn't spell that right) of the individual rooms as you move through them.

Ideas like this are not stupid - and at least you have some ideas. Anything that might help someone in the context of the original post is worth thinking about. After all, the original poster asked a question. I might have answered "If you don't know, how can anyone here tell you?" but that wouldn't have helped at all. So...good on ya!

I've got all the time in the world for 'ideas' people.

They're not stupid, but music is too personal for a mass to utilize them properly. What was stupid is the fact that he suggested it. People learn.

I'm not saying music is only like a river. The analogy is used to show him some of his options in a relatable way, so that he can understand the flow of music better, and give him more options to choose.

I look at songs in different ways when I write them.

do you play horn? Horn players seem to hear nothing else but their own parts, its kind of sad. I actually tried writing the horn parts a little lower. Did you look at the pdf or actually listen...? Because concert pitch is different, those "high C's" are actually F's. The only high possible C I know of on a horn is not that difficult to play.

Nico, the reason people complain about horn parts is that they are more frequently unplayable than any other parts in young composers' pieces. I haven't looked at the score, but please keep in mind that "playable range" is not the only concern. Time spent in the upper register is actually more important: while many professional and even college-level horn players can go above that high concert F, almost none can stay in the uppermost register (concert C and up) for an extended period of time.

I was using the analogy to show him a creative way of making his piece have form and different parts, transition's ect. I was comparing it to something in real life because I thought he might understand it better. Hehe, I wasn't trying to show him how to write indvidual themes but more of the building plan not the intricicy(didn't spell that right) of the individual rooms as you move through them.

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I've already gone over this please read my posts before you start writing yours in return to mine.