Second movment of my First symphony

as with the first i will compose this piece updating all my newset versions as i go along. Although i was VERY VERY happy with the first i beleive the seocnd movment will be better. The bit i post i beleive is worthy of some good quality especially the opening melody. i have fallen in love with its simplicity and i hope i can continue this througout the piece without getting lost in different ideas like before. the last 30 seconds or so is rough i know i havent properly orcehstrated it yet its just the skeleton.

Enjoy and please comment heavily on the present and the future of this piece :P remnding you this is my 5th month composing so dont ask me to do somink crazy (without properly explaning the terminaology and methodology of it :) )

Symphony 1 movment 2.mid

You have something good going on here. It's very charming. Towards the end of the second movement sounds like it would have sounded nice with a fuller horn section. I liked it when the horns came in. It seems to sound a bit hollow. Perhaps richer harmonies on the low end end would help. Ah, did I hear dissonance at the last second? I'm interested in seeing how you will develop that.

However I enjoyed what you have so far. Keep working! :P

yer i got kind of stuck, i used a diminshed chord then used one of the notes as a leading note into the next chord, but i dont know what do do once i arrived. perhaps i will carry on the patter in that key. but i dont want it to get to heavy. perhaps i will rework this part. yes i feel i do need to fill out brass as well esp in that section. im doing as we speak :P

Just a suggestion. Develop the intro more. Use the capabilities of the orchestra dynamics. Dont come clanking in with the bandwagon of trolls with big clubs yet. You've got two Ideas already enough for 4:00 of music atleast, but I don't know if you want to go into heavy mode right in the beggining.

I think you need help with this so I'm gonna give it. :)

You need to develop the first idea to the point where the listener ALMOST gets bored. In other words stay one step ahead of them. Don't get like Mahler and be a 1/8 of an inch ahead of you.(He repeats things and develops them to the point of death. I watched one of his symphonies live and wanted to kill myself at the end. It was Der Song...the world in german.)

If you are having troubles take the basic Idea of the first one, the rythm, chords, melody, instrument combinations, ect (anything that makes it what it is.) Change it a bit and harness it into something slightly different. Then make something with the same amount of forward motion plus a little more. By forward motion I mean anything that propels it or brings a new idea in. So take the same thing and throw it around a bit. Heck I've even made the melody go backwards a couple of times. I always found that interesting.:)

Bam....... You've got a contrasting section to the first one. You can do this several times and in lots of different ways. Experiment.

By the way I started composing music seriously in January. I'm in the same boat as you buddy. I found a couple good ways to improve your skills are. Developing five words through music. Just go through the dictionary and find a couple of cool words. Developing a motif in as many ways as possible. Reflect on your piece by playing it back and listening to anything YOU THINK you can improve upon.

Then think what I would do ..............................:P

I like what you do alot you just sit down and focus.

Good luck.:)

You have a really beautiful and delicate opening. Its my favorite part so far. Personally, I think there are few ways you could continue with this. One is to work with and develop the opening theme and motifs before you introduce the new material at 1:26. Or, you could continue as you have done and come back and develop the opening theme/motifs. On the other hand the material you introduce at 1:26 seems a little sudden to my ears.

To be honest, there are great number of ways you could approach the building of a movement, the key is just to make sure its coherent.

If anything else comes to mind I'll give another reply.

Great start, though :thumbsup:

You have the beginning of Titanic's "My Heart will go on" in the beginning melody, and then you have a three note motif that resembles Copland's Fanfare for the Common Man, which goes nowhere. I still like the music.

ok guys ive done alot more to it.. :( enjoy and please comment :)

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i think you have lots of excellent ideas in your music vb and its clear that you want to develop them. what isnt clear to me is why you want to throw them all together into a single piece . . I think your new version is heaps better than the old one but a symphony needs to be something unified where one idea leads into the next. yes there can be contrast of course but, like in a story, there needs to be a narrative which helps the listener through (like on a map). can I make a suggestion? well two actually. first that you play your piece from the beginning to where you've got to over and over and only then continue to write . . . ie. have the whole piece in your mind as you write. second that you listen as much as you possibly can to all the great symphonies from mozart through to shostakovich to see how they connect everything in the piece so that when the piece is over it is almost like you can see the whole piece laid out before you like a magnificent landscape. . . . . the shape of it is everything. tonality is everything too . . . . that doesnt mean that the piece should necessarily start and end in the same key . . . but the keys need to relate to one another . .. (sidesteps from B minor to C minor are alright if they have a meaning) your feeling about key is very instinctive but have an eye on what has gone before as you write. and the other thing is rhythm. the rhythm of the piece is everything. it is ok to change the rhythm but only if there really is a good reason to do so. music can trundle quite happily and the listener trundles with it but if the music stops and starts the listener begins to feel he will never get there!

thanks for posting and I hope I havent been negative have I? all the very best and keep composing!!!!

excellent help ! this is really good advice. i know this is just the start of it getting better and i have worked really hard on the previous comments to get where i am now. What i think my next part is to 'link' ideas better maybe encorperate them better. instead of just stopping and then starting its kinda cheating but yes i defiantly get what you mean. theres only 3 minutes of composition but i think i have enough ideas as i was previously told im trying to compose the music just based on those so i dont get carried away.

Your tip about listen to it over and over is just so gud! thanks stephen i will keep you posted on my improvments

Wow, that was veryyyy cool. I can't say much in the way of criticism, other than I think you did a great job.

excellent help ! this is really good advice. i know this is just the start of it getting better and i have worked really hard on the previous comments to get where i am now. What i think my next part is to 'link' ideas better maybe encorperate them better. instead of just stopping and then starting its kinda cheating but yes i defiantly get what you mean. theres only 3 minutes of composition but i think i have enough ideas as i was previously told im trying to compose the music just based on those so i dont get carried away.

Your tip about listen to it over and over is just so gud! thanks stephen i will keep you posted on my improvments

Great Epic intro!

Forceful orchestral unisono…,

Misterious and romantic suspense in the air... then the harp leads over to a Schubertian, Austrian like innocent melody that entertains us for a short moment.

The unisono theme appears again untill… a melancolic theme slowly now prepares for a…crescendo…. yes, it feels sensual and Spanish when the trumpets and woodwinds sing out… I associate, but just a little bit with Ravel's "Pavane pour une infante defunte".

The triumphant and Impressionist atmosphere is now abrupted by the harp and Tutti who choose to play the unisono again…dark strings are painting misterious shadows in the dark…we now hear timpani and heavy brass as if the composer want’s to remind us of Gustav Holst’s "The Planets".

Big emotions and Mahlerian melancholy follows…(if I exclude the sometimes to sweet orchestrated woodwinds and drums!), sounds too TV serie like. Sorry…!)

This orchestral Nocturne goes towards it’s end now…

We hear a dark bassoon and high strings accompanied by high pizzicati tones.

This passage had an orchestral colour like at the beginning of Mahler’s Titan Symphony.

The end of Violinboy’s first movement of his Symphony ends accompanied by sentimental strings as if taken directly from a Fran

:whistling: youve reveiwed the wrong piece but its ok.. that one was redone as well. Youve have done the opening, when he hasnt arrived in spain as of yet theres a long story, the 2nd is when he arrives and he finds love but she dont like him.. :D

:huh: youve reveiwed the wrong piece but its ok.. that one was redone as well. Youve have done the opening, when he hasnt arrived in spain as of yet theres a long story, the 2nd is when he arrives and he finds love but she dont like him.. :cool:

Yes, I know it was the wrong movement I reviewed, but the first movement's music was so interesting that I had to do it...he he!

Well, I will go on with my strings now. Then later I will review your 2nd movement!

Thanks for inspiring review

Fredrik

Yes, I know it was the wrong movement I reviewed, but the first movement's music was so interesting that I had to do it...he he!

Well, I will go on with my strings now. Then later I will review your 2nd movement!

Thanks for inspiring review

Fredrik

The Spanish Symphony Movement 2 has several very beautiful melodies. The one that is played by the clarinet after some minutes is orchestrated with great sensitivity, but my absolute favorite is the melody at the end played by the guitar. Fantastic melody...!

So poetic and melancholic...this melody stayed in my head for a long time and is still there!

Good luck

Fredrik