April 20, 200718 yr I'm going to make an oblique point here: Bach was not a piano composer.There. (yes we all know he played the piano some several times, but the majority of his work probably wasn't written for it. That said, his keyboard writing was extremely important) Yes, but I am still hard pressed to find anyone else with more influence in piano literature, at least to my knowledge.
April 20, 200718 yr Beethoven?Btw, Beethoven did not invent the sonata anywhere near from scratch. no, Beethoven was more instrumental (no pun intended) in redefining the structure and the dramatic intent of the sonata. He IS responsible for the Scherzo. He also could be seen as the precursor of the great 19th century piano virtuoso composers. His last works for the instrument were quite demanding in a "new" technical way for the time. Which of course coincides with his straddling the fence between classicism and romanticism.
April 20, 200718 yr Beethoven?Btw, Beethoven did not invent the sonata anywhere near from scratch. What? Beethoven is not a great composer now? sonata as we know it today. This huge development monster... That is what I mean. Sonata comes from the early years of "classical" music...
April 20, 200718 yr To rank someone that came after him higher doesnt make any sense . Does this mean that Machaut and Palestrina just own music because they're the earliest??? I do say, Handel, Bach, Mozart, and Beethoven all came before "Mendy," so by your reasoning, they should all be better than him.
April 20, 200718 yr "What? Beethoven is not a great composer now?" Beethoven is great - he'd be near the top 5 of my "greatest" composers if I cared to post one. He didn't invent the sonata though, as QC says, he reinvented it.
April 20, 200718 yr The simple fact is that there are no Mendelssohns after Mendelssohn.This is a fact. Before I discovered Mendelssohn by favorite composers were Bach and Chopin. But after listening to Mendy, I knew it right there and then that his music ranks on a much high level then these two composers. In fact, I still didn
April 20, 200718 yr So since when did Saul begin to be irrational? From the first day (September 2006) or from 4 months or so? I like these funny debates/conversations really much. Adds spice to everything here.
April 20, 200718 yr Since when did I start knowing what I was talking about? I just agreed with MisD, Saul is being annoying.
April 20, 200718 yr Bach - He didn't just follow them, he made the damn rules. Rachmaninoff - Adore his Symphonies, and the Symphonic Dances, any chamber music I should check out? Brahms - Adore his Symphonies aswell, and his chamber music is sublime. Vivaldi - His music is quite simple, but he practically invented my favourite form, and his holy music is amazing. Beethoven - If there is a God, it somewhat resembles this man.
April 20, 200718 yr Author Hey; everyone's offered rational discussion to these crazy things you say, and every time you refuse to listen. So I won't bother to do what they did. I'll just say you're a complete dipshit. Hey dirtball... watch your mouth.
April 20, 200718 yr Hey dirtball... watch your mouth. He can say what he wants. EDIT: CRAP! Double post.
April 20, 200718 yr Actually, it was Mr. Galt here that got me into Prokofiev. Same, I believe he posted an mp3 of the man himself playing one of his piano concerti, absolutely amazing.
April 20, 200718 yr Author Anyone that claims that Prokofiev is a greater composer then Mendelssohn should be striped away from his musical degrees. Hell, if a degree makes you that twisted... then you can use it as tissue paper... Cheers..
April 20, 200718 yr Author Here educate yourselves: Here's something your music teacher will never dare to utter: mendelssohn.htm
April 20, 200718 yr Author yes, Qc, you have sinned, I shall now stripe you.*not sarcasm lol:toothygrin:
April 20, 200718 yr OMGOMGOMGOMG MENDELSSOHN ISN'T ON MARK'S LIST SHOOT HIM! See how ridiculous that is, that's how you're acting except exaggerated slightly. Stop it. It's immature.
April 20, 200718 yr Author Any music teacher that didnt hear of the following statement by Brahms should hit the books again... Brahms had said " I will give up all of my compositions if I had the ability to write such a work as Mendelssohn's Hebrides Overture". Very difficult statement by one of the Great B'S. Do you think that Brahms would had been ready to give up all of his works just to write one of Prokofiev's concerti?
April 20, 200718 yr You are telling US to educate ourselves??? I'll have you know, Saulsmusic, that your latest source calls Mendelssohn "One of" the greatest composers... I'm afraid you must have missed that phrase... Truly, he isn't a shabby composer, or else he wouldn't be remembered. But he is by no means the God of music. As for Mark... Are you sure Beethoven's the one that resembles God??? I never imagined God as a disheveled mess... ... In all actuality, Beethoven was an amazing man who, although he may have been disheveled, made more than up for it in his music.
April 20, 200718 yr This is the last you will hear from me on this subject, Saul. Whatever your opinion on Mendelssohn, I do not share it. I am not alone in not sharing it. Before you start passing judgement in so presumtuous a manner, you should go out and GET a music degree. You have demonstrated a pathetic lack of knowldge of the repertoire by slandering quite a few great composers, notable among them Prokoviev. I have attempted to be civil and show you that there is room for more than one opinion. You have consistantly attacked the credibility of anyone contradicting your opinion about Mendelssohn. In this thread alone you have destroyed any potential good will towards you that could have been salvaged at some later date. ***** I encourage everyone here to not throw oil on the fire and to leave this entirely useless debate behind. View it as a learning experience in how to deal with obstinacy.
April 20, 200718 yr As for Mark... Are you sure Beethoven's the one that resembles God??? I never imagined God as a disheveled mess... ... In all actuality, Beethoven was an amazing man who, although he may have been disheveled, made more than up for it in his music. Having no religion lets me say anything I like about these things, you can't prove Beethoven wasn't a god any more than you can prove Allah (for example) is :w00t: red bit: I find that terribly amusing, not sure why yet, I'll get back to you :whistling:
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