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I'm reading through all this and I must point out that this is kind of wrong. Not that he didn't have deep friendships with women, guess that's probably true (though it was definitely not a friend of his brother's wife*). What I wanted to state here is that many did find Beethoven attractive in his youth for certain manners he had and he did date various girls, including some "precious one" or "beloved one" whose identity is not really clear. Now, regarding your issue here, which I'm not sure if you see or not Mr @Churchcantor : the problem here ain't your sense of humour. I would say it's not really that you overextend on your personal life. The problem is that you do that in posts from people who are asking for feedback, criticism, or any other commentary relevant to the piece, WIP work, set of pieces, etc. that they are working on! Look man: In this post by one fellow old user of this very forum, which showcases ten preludes for piano that his user made, you replied: You know this part I marked in bold and cursive. That's outside of the feedback. Your feedback is: "Hey, these seem very nice! I will check them out. Already "liked" them, I can just tell from glancing at a few of them..." And then you, all of a sudden, proceed to talk about you, your piece, your friend, etc etc etc. That's uncalled for, as simply as that. But you kept going dude, what? Good man, this ain't a personal chat with you and a common friend of yours. Guy doesn't know Jackie, most likely. Guy doesn't know you either, and now for some reason whenever he turns on the PC and sees some notifications, instead of actual feedback you know what he will find? You, talking about yourself, about your friend that needs xyz, about oh wait is this some actual feedback? Ah welp, no it's not. You didn't listen to the preludes, but you already posted 3 messages there and 2 and a half of them are about you, and the other remaining half is split between saying that you didn't listen to the set of pieces & that you "liked" them. And finally, yet another message: Did the Henry guy ask you about you or your friend man? Or the original poster of the preludes? Do you realise you're still replying to a post that consists on an user posting 10 preludes and awaiting for feedback? Didn't you think about sending Henry a private message in regards of his confusion? Don't you see why he's "confused" at best? Cool dude. What if you, instead of going to someone else's post to talk about that, don't proceed to give us all that speech in your own post, with your own music? If I wanna talk about myself, look at what we got: If you feel that what you want to share of your life is too long for this "About Me" section, my best advice would be: host a web, make a blog, and let your friends know. This is not about trolling or not trolling, being funnier or less; It's not even about you yourself Churchcantor. It is about not spamming your life on someone else's posts when it's absolutely, completely, categorically and unequivocally uncalled for. You got me, right? Regards!

Jesus, listen to ALL of my music, not a little Shostakovich-when-drunk-on-vodka piece! I am thoroughly trained, but not as good as Beethoven! Can you not take a little joke? I am NO TROLL; just a talented but not "Genius" neoclassical composer! 🤣 Barcarolle Free Sheet Music by Robert C. Fox for Piano/Keyboard | Noteflight 1996, age 27, in some bar or coffeeshop on East Boulevard, in Charlotte, NC. I think it is pretty cool given all that!

Once a spammer is identified, banning them is as easy as pressing a button.

It’s obvious the guy is trolling us. He thrives on attention. His music - intentionally or not - is trash. He repeatedly comments on his own posts to maintain maximum visibility. If that’s his game, don’t feed his energy. Ban if you must, but - dare i say - he will just make a new account.

I can play that song fairly well on Electric, fretless bass, but can't handle those constant high G Sharps vocally, without a microphone, at least! 🤣

The Doobie Brothers - Listen To The Music (Live in Isolation)

I do not understand why you are confused, Henry Ng, a composer surely as good as I am! I am just concerned about my friend, but she is quite fine now. She will come tomorrow and help me clean the house! Why is this so big a deal, to have a good friendship with a member of the opposite sex, when we have both agreed that it shouldn't be sexual? There is more to life than THAT, though it is very useful, Wirklich auf Deutsch, for reproduction. We are very loving friends, but only that. She is sort of my Muse, lately though. I could almost swear that she wrote 40% of my only, and fairly decent piano sonata in 38 years of writing music, even though she can't read music herself. Sure, I, like anyone, have sexual desires myself sometimes, but not for her: our love is pure friendship, and purer than all that, even if we drink some beer together sometimes, and laugh at silly things!

Hi to all. I've now completed my orchestration of all three movements of "The Hour Glass" (originally for piano solo). This second movement was the hardest of all to orchestrate: so any tips on how to make it better would be very welcome! I found it especially difficult to create suitable harmonies for a string bed to go underneath the intricate arpeggios in the harp. Not sure I've done it very well. Also, some of the chromaticism in the harp part may be unplayable, because of the pedals? Haven't got around to adding slurs and phrasing yet, and as usual, my dynamics are designed for midi only. Frank Bridge - The Dew Fairy #28.mp3 Frank Bridge - The Dew Fairy #28.pdf

Anyway, carry on! I will listen to these even from a cursory glance very good piano pieces in their entirety when I can truly pay proper attention to them, and you have my word on that.

Jackie is just fine, but I feel like something fun, like good Classic Rock right now, to calm my nerves!

Hello, glad to be here. I love listening to music. However, since I couldn't attend a music university or take lessons and didn't try to learn by myself, I couldn't learn music notation. Now, I feel how important it is to learn notation. Therefore, I want to ask how I can learn music notation. I want to learn it on my own while occasionally asking for help on this forum. First, I want to start with free resources, but my search returned too many websites and YouTube channels, leaving me totally confused about which one to choose. If you have some time, I would be so happy to receive your advice about how I can start to learn it and how to go to the next step. By the way, I would like to say that you all compose such good music. My hat is always off to you. Thank you. Best, Lithl.

It's like when you steal and get caught and then you tell the police, "just return it to the owner and it's fine!". Do you think it's proper when you don't bear consequence for posting all these irrelevant content as a harassment to the forum?

It is YOUR responsibility to keep your posts appropriate not ours. We are not paid moderators, and we do not have to babysit and police everything you do. ALL the other users on this forum understand this and are able to police themselves and use their own good judgment - but you do not, hence why we are considering banning you.

I think you are taking this far too seriously. Just delete the posts you do not like! You are driving me towards buying some beer, getting a bit tipsy, and just listening to something technically proficient yet fun, like Gilbert and Sullivan! Would like to hang out with Jackie, but it is about to storm, and she is very busy with online managerial school, 4.0 average, and I don't want to bother her! Really...

This is what you don't understand. This kind of sharing in this forum is inappropriate. We are currently voting whether to ban you from the forum. You do not understand basic personal boundaries. You are over-exposing yourself and the personal details of your life - things that nobody on the website should have to read through and care about if they are coming here to listen to music and get feedback on their music. The nature of your relationships irl are TOTALLY IRRELEVANT.

Well, if you don't care, that is fine, but it is a deep, non-sexual friendship, and she has been having a profound influence on my music lately. Personal relationships, romantic or not, can have a profound effect on one's art; look at Beethoven! He had deep friendships with women, even if they did not find him attractive in that way.

What are you talking about? Henry was referring to the consequences of continuing to post the details of your personal life in the forum. Nobody cares about the nature of your relationships! That's the problem - you keep talking about things that have no bearing on music and is totally irrelevant and meaningless to other members posts!

The consequence of having a deep Platonic friendship with a woman much younger than me, who has become a part of my music? Such things exist, you know. Neither of us want to ruin our deep friendship over something so silly and momentarily pleasant as recreational sex, but the consequences of THAT would be very bad for our relationship as true friends. Honestly, I do not know what the problem is.

You know this and still do it so you know the consequence you may bear? Henry

Really, not everyone gets my sense of humor! It can be somewhat Monty Pythonesque, but I mean no harm! Even my Moll/Dur, minor/major piano sonata is not profound, yet it is heartfelt!

You are welcome to be confused if you like, Henry, and this little joke piece really does not deserve its own thread! I wrote it as a relief from working on my piano sonata. You or Peter are welcome to delete the thread if you like; it is posted in the piano sonata thread anyway.

In this sonata, the right hand is usually Jackie, and the left hand is usually me...I think it is a good piano sonata. It is not profound, but heartfelt.

Hello, friends. About three years ago, I penned this song cycle for a friend from El Salvador, based on poems by the beloved Salvadoran poet, Alfredo Espino. These hold a special place in my heart because they're the last music I've ever written, though they were sadly never performed. The songs and directions are completely in Spanish. Here they've been rendered by Cantamus (unfortunately sung in a Castilian accent and not the Latin American accent spoken in El Salvador) and the piano accompaniment has been [poorly] played by me. They're not the best recordings and some of the lyrics didn't render properly, but hopefully they deliver the music effectively. The cycle is chiasmic in structure (i.e., the first and last movements and the second and fourth movements mirror each other) and it tells the story of a day in El Salvador. I. Madrugada: This means early morning. The lyrics and music represent the waking of the Salvadoran countryside: farmers starting their day, roosters crowing, birds chirping. It begins mysteriously but soon "warms up," preparing us for the rest of the song cycle. II. Plombagina: The title is about a tiny flower found along the riverbanks in El Salvador; here it represents the playfulness of the river and the hopefulness of midmorning. This one is unmistakably waltzlike and lyrical. III. Tardecitas: "Little afternoons" is a piece about watching the rainfall in the heat of the day. It's lazy and less ambitious than the others in the cycle, representing the languor of a dreary, rainy day. IV. Estrella in el río: We return once more to a song about the river, this time in a more contemplative frame of mind. "Star in the river" is shimmering and reflective, capturing the tranquility of twilight as the stars begin to pinprick the sky and cast their reflections into the river below. V. Nocturno: While "Madrugada" expresses the joys of a new morning, "Nocturno" explores the angst found at the close of the day. It's by far the most restless of the cycle, employing a sort of perverted tango rhythm in mockery of the soothing sway of a nocturne. In it, you'll find themes of grief and fear and anxiety, embedded in harmonies very reminiscent of Spain/Latin America. Even if you don't understand Spanish, I hope these songs move you and perhaps inspire you. As ever, I'm happy to receive any feedback you may have. Best, Jordan Canciones de El Salvador.pdf I. Madrugada.mp3 II. Plombagina.mp3 III. Tardecitas.mp3 IV. Estrella en el río.mp3 V. Nocturno.mp3

@Churchcantor I have received messages from members with the concern that you're not registering any boundaries. The Young Composer's Forum is a public forum but you're using it as a place to over-share details of your own personal life in a way that's not only off-topic but concerning to others. Another concern is that you're using it as a place not for interacting with others but only to talk about yourself and alienate others in the process without any insight or knowledge that you're doing so. Members feel sorry for you and are concerned about your mental state. Also, the following post has almost no bearing on the @SergeOfArniVillage 's original post and music and is very off-topic and inappropriate: How would you handle this if you were a staff member?

Hey, these seem very nice! I will check them out. Already "liked" them, I can just tell from glancing at a few of them...Yes, I'm worried about my best friend Jackie, wheezing/breathing problems, but she is probably ok; needs her Albuterol/Ventolin inhaler. I'll probably get some beer to help calm my nerves and listen; after all, my own music sounds better to me after a couple beers!😆(I sure don't want to hear my sonata again unless I know she's OK, it's about her! I had to listen so many times to edit, anyway, seeing that I can't even play piano.)