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It is not unplayable, the fast 7th skips would be a problem. We all now horn players will eventually crack something. But with practice it wouldn't be too hard, just getting everyone to play it with the same percision as the midi but with human input.

Famous Composers make mistakes too. Don't always rely on a score for instrument names because sometimes they could completely wrong, or just experimenting with new instruments of the time, i.e. Bach.

Thats pretty cool. Hard as hell to play though. I like the call and response stuff along with the echos of the 7's and 6's and what not.

Yeah, unless you want to be extremely specific with the sounds you are making, i.e. prepared piano, you just need to write what type of sound you want, hard or soft. bright or warm. Most percussion studios have different brands of instruments of which produce different qualities, thus, they would have to determine the best mallet or stick to use when that are playing the piece. "fancy sticking" is something that is mainly used in marching percussion but you could always consult a percussionist and ask him his opinion of the matter.

What you are seeing are old parts that were written for natural horns or horns that still required crooks. There are obviously tone differences when you start playing with different lengths of tubing as well as the different wrappings of the tubes. There is no need to write for a horn in a different key other than F, it is just frivolous because it will end up being transposed back into F by the player. Tenor horns in Eb are completely different and are relics of old marching bands. There are Wagner Tubas that can be in Eb which are basicly french horns in the shape of a euphonium.

I agree with Qc, no notation program is going to make you a lesser or a better composer. You bring to composition with what is in your head, sure there are "compositional" plug-ins in both sibelius and finale that will orchestrate or trim down, etc. but if you find yourself using those than you should question the validity of your composition. I think that most students who want to write music that is their head are unable to write an exact copy of what they hear but can come close. I believe this is where pencil and paper come in handy. It is almost impossible to write "chicken scratch" ideas so you know what direction you are headed. After this you can start inputting into a notation program and start to listen to a sampled playback, however, when listening you can never forget what the piece sounded like in head and you must rely on training.

I know that in the Sibelius Reference Manual there are engraving rules which is a pretty good basis but not complete. There are books with the complete engraving rules of hand written music that should be the ideal and easily transferred to digital editing (finale, sibelius). Here is a good website: npc Imaging's bookstore I would look at the The Norton Manual of Music Notation but there are other great books there about the history of notation and even some very comprehensive books on the use of Finale and Sibelius. Until then, Finale does most of the work for you. Just make sure there are no collisions or typos and all the dynamics are under the score (instrumental) or above (choral). The best thing to do is look at what everybody elses score looks like and try to mimic it, if you think something doesn't look right than it probably isn't. Hope this helps.

Does anybody have any non text comments. This is the first Choir piece I have written and I want some opinions on stuff that you would change or something that you like. Thank you

The only time I would see it being pheasable for puting more than one instrument of different families, i.e. Flutes and Oboes, in the same staff is if you wrote a condensed score of which would be a non-transposing score. This would usually be a grand staff or two depending on the size of the ensemble. To Gardener: Horn players were changing crooks around the early 19th C. By the 20th C., horns had valves and could easily play chromatic passages, however, composers still wrote for horns in the old style, 1 and 3 were a similar range and 2 and 4 the same. Still in the non-transposed key of the piece. Therefore, hornists must transpose because the instrument was and still is in F.

You should not write something in a different language just to make it more interesting. It will not mean anything more and sound any more interesting than before. I would suggest that you do not write in Russian, it is an extremely difficult language to set. You can always look on the web for some free domain poems and set the one you like the best.

I fixed the stuff you mentioned. I was wondering if the "to" in m. 45 was ok. I was wanting an oo to ahh effect but I don't want to have an effect that takes away from the text. Here is the new score: Midnight Hour Contest.pdf

I love Sondheim, I will study up on him.

Ok, this helps emmensly. I was unsure of where to split some of the words, I am still tyring to find a good article or book on text setting (any suggestions?). I will follow these rules now that I know them. You can only look at a score for so long until everything looks right even if it isn't.

Thanks, that is what I thought. As this is the first time for writing for choir, these are the things I am learning. I talk the text and attempt to sing to make sure if it is singable and not completely awful sounding. The russian languange, it did take until the early Romantic era to finaly come up with a way of setting the languange to sound reasonable.

It is text from a pre-written poem, I wrote the music for the text but I was advised against using the word: Vulture because it was pronounced in the back of the throat and therefore hard to project. Here is the work

Actually no I haven't, It's one of those things I will test when I get a mock reading. Thanks.

Here is a work I have been composing for around 2 weeks, off and on. I am just now in the review phase. The text is from a free domain site that I randomly chose. Well, random is a little much but you get the point. It starts slow with open harmonies and moves to a faster section with a hint of "dies irae." From there is moves to a developmental section until the piece climaxes. After the climax the piece turns into a retrograde of itself without "dies irae" section. It finaly ends on the note that began the piece. Midnight Hour Contest.pdf MP3 Any comments would be appeciated. This is my first work for choir, so any changes in the score would be nice to know. Thanks, Tony

I like alot of music and I can't say that I dislike any of it but what I don't enjoy are the bands and singers from the disney channel like Hannah Montanna, Jonas Brothers. I just get angry writing there names. I mainly dislike music that is written and performed badly only for commercial and social interest. Sure, all composers from early Romantic to 12th C. were employed for commercial reasons but they were also saw the craft and importance of their works. Whew, I feel better.

Thanks, it was a actually a Choral conductor at my University that mentioned it when we were looking for typos and what not. This is my first time to write for choir, as I am an instrumentalist. The work starts with Sop. and Alto on a Bb moving to C and F. Therefore, it is very transparent at the beginning. I will post it sometime.

An interval of an octave and a seventh is kind of hard to hear and play on the horn. A Db above the staff is not that bad, you just have to consider the level of player you are writing for. What should he be aware of balance wise between the strings and the horn. The horn can play over any size string accmp. I think the Gordon Jacob Concerto for horn is a good place to start. I think it is modern enough and has similar ideas to what you want to do.

The Timpani part after all the dear arrive is akward. Don't expect a Timpani player to play in the same style as a strind or wind instrument unless you are writing for solo timp. They cannot play scales freely with ease. You could have better changed style for indoor, outdoor, workshop. It all sounds random and that it has no direction. The ideas are good, just organize them.

I am writing a choral work and I am unsure about some of the lyrics. It starts out: Vul - tures Cir - Cling. I am afraid that this is to muddy to sing, however, I cannot come up with another word that has the same connotation as vulture. The closest is Buzzard. Any help would be appreciated.

As a horn player, and one who has played the Weber. First, the weber is in Concert E Major, so B major for the horn. These fingerings are not difficult but flow rather easily. It is the transposition that is difficult as the piece is played a half step down from written. E minor is not a bad key at all. Writing jumps should not be avoided, ever listened to John Williams? Try not to write jumps that span more than an octave and a half unless it is from one to the same one (C3 to C5). Hope this helps