Syrah...

Hellos!

something, yet again, a bit different:

www.cgespace.com/music/13/evil.mp3

Guitars from Cellaroom

Bass from Manybass

Drums from DFH superior

Synths from EWQL Adrenaline

Enjoy and rock on!

Nikolas

nikolas, after hearing your igor, no, actually it's igor! :D, and syrah,i think you're a big fun (in a sense of catcat dolls lyrics :D )

i liked rock, well, metal, for that case, when being beaten up or insulted by someone, i would listen and feel the anger coming out, or maybe just go out after listening to some megadeath stuff and kick some donkey :D

anyway, nice little piece, i liked the synths, they reminded me ... something from jimi hendrix. quite funky.

(rock)

nice guitar sound. i have to agree with pliorius, it also reminds me of a hendrix song. melody feels angsty, i can imagine an action movie playing this during the fight scenes, hahaha.

If this had another music section with new material I would have give you my vote! but no! That is why I didn't vote for yours :D and it fit perfectly with how I visualize the character and what she brings to my mind of how I perceive her type a part of other things.

Oh man, nikolas made a metal piece?!? How exciting. Quite good from a compositional perspective. Actually, after hearing your other works, I was expecting something a little more "sophisticated," but of course there's nothing wrong with writing simple music. Just caught me off guard, that's all.

My main criticism about this piece is that the mix is pretty poor. It sounds to me like you've mixed it like an orchestral piece, with lots of reverb on everything. Generally speaking, when mixing rock music, you want no reverb on the bass guitar or the kick drum, and less reverb on everything else than what you're using. That will make the mix sound much cleaner and punchier. Also, turn up the volume on the bass and the kick drum.

Nikolas

This sounds very familiar...Maybe I should vote for it somewhere...

I think I already did!!!

This semester I am buying a new guitar to replace my broken one and I am all set up to run with it in Sonar. Maybe I will start to catch up.

Cool sounds

Ron

Oh man, nikolas made a metal piece?!? How exciting.

My main criticism about this piece is that the mix is pretty poor. It sounds to me like you've mixed it like an orchestral piece, with lots of reverb on everything. Generally speaking, when mixing rock music, you want no reverb on the bass guitar or the kick drum, and less reverb on everything else than what you're using. That will make the mix sound much cleaner and punchier. Also, turn up the volume on the bass and the kick drum.

But yes, I didn't want to go to something more sophisticated or complicated. Simple is good some times. ;)

Everybody else: Thank you.

Pilorius: Seriously I understand half of your post. sorry mate. "you're a fun"??!??

"nikolas, after hearing your igor, no, actually it's igor!"???

imo, dfh superior only sounds good when it's (heavily) processed. and now, it clearly isn't. also, the drum programming is so-so (no kick under a cymbal hit?). listen to rock pieces more and analyze, the drum programming totally made the song static and unreal.

the guitars on the other hand sounded suprisingly well, also very pantera-like. i felt like the bass didn't really belong, it sounds too 'good' while the rest is kind of rough sounding. you should make it growl more, that would really add another dimension to the song.

and the synths, well they fit the song, make it more 'dirty, but they're not my kind of things.

The drums have A LOT of compression and EQ treatment as well. It's probably my fault.

I didn't have much time so the drums are repeated every 4 or 8 bars... :P But I do think that it's an "ok" programming for a first try in all honesty...

Guitars are from a library so it makes sense it sounds so good.

Bass I find it very appropriate, but then again it could again my somewhat inexperience in mixing such style. As for the synths...

These ARE my kind of thing! :D

any exact tips for the drums treatement please? Or a link, or some pdf, or something? I'm aiming a bit in the dark here.

well, to me, as a guitar player, guitar sample libraries always sound horrible, and i was suprised by how 'real' these sounded.

ehm well, about the drum sound. i think best thing for you is to use the ezdrummer pop/rock kit, it has pretty (clean) processed sounds, so they'll always sound good and fat (with some compression and eq), unlike superior which gives you way more freedom ( sometimes more than you'd like). i wouldn't go for superior if you're not totally comfortable mixing drums yet.

and again, i don't think the drum programming are 'ok', not even for a first try (you write a lot of orchestral pieces, you should know rhythm). i've listened to your other pieces and i'm convinced you could do a waaaay better job on this, blaming it on time is lame. then just work on it some more, and post it a week later.

the synths are indeed very well done, they mix very well with the guitars. the bass did it's job with filling up lower freqs, but that's pretty much the only thing i can say about it since it kind of lacks presence (and since it's also kind of shoved back in the mix).

keep it up though.

hem... mate.

All is good and thanks for the advice, but don't talk about lame and stuff.

I posted this because I wanted to share it with you. I don't do this kind of music, but would like to give it a try and found an opportunity for the CGEmpire competition, that's all. I didn't waste any time, because I didn't have any real interest so I spent a few hours to it that's all. I'm sorry that you find the lack of time a 'lame' excuse, but this is how it is with some people. It was right before Xmas and I was leaving the next day. Being busy is an excuse for some people, extremely valid!

As for EZ drummer, I'm sorry again, but don't plan on spending more money on buying new stuff, but prefer to learn (and this is why I asked).

The guitar is a loop, this is why it sounds SO good. And since it was a loop, I couldn't play even one bit with the tempo. as you can understand. And no, I didn't dequantitise anything. As I said I didn't bother. (actually I didn't think of it, but if I was to redo it I would move things around)

If you want to point out a few things about what's wrong a bit more precise I would be in debt. Honestly, I know it's not really good and looking to learn.

I mean, the quantitise is one thing, fair enough I understand that. The drums do sound as I would expect them (I mean on what they actually play, the phrasing) in most places at least. Compression, EQ and reverb is plainly rather bad. So, while I can fix the phrasing, the "notes" and the timing issues, I'm not sure how to go about with the general mixing of things.

the guitars did sound good, and why did you feel the need to play with tempo? this is not common in rock songs at all (ofcourse, there are always exceptions), at least, not the way some orchestral pieces work (from 55bpm, to 90 bpm, to 130bpm etc.). you could easily made the guitars fit and made the drum play slower or faster (but with the same bpm).

anyway, about the drum mixing. drum mixing is about the hardest thing to record/mix when it comes to recording bands, thus making it impossible for me just to point out some things to make it sound better immediatly. this solely depends on your mix and which instruments are dominant at what frequencies. since your guitars sound very full (proximity-effect, they sound close-miced, while the rest of the instruments don't) and have lots of low end it tends to leave no room for your bass or kick to cut through. this could be ok, you could either cut some low freqs from the guitars or add some midfreqs (or even high) to the bass (and kick drum) (from 300hz to 600hz or 5khz to 7khz depending on your bass sound), just try to sweep the eq and see what works the best.

the snare drums is just a bit too cardboard sounding too me and the bottom mic seems to be taking the upperhand (which tends to make the snare sound sloppy). i tend to not use the snare bottom at all and make the snare top stand out more (by compressing it) which makes it a bit tighter. i would also suggest to switch of the ambient mics in superior, the overall drum sound a bit too roomy for my tasting.

you could also just make the guitar a bit less loud so the other instruments have more space and this put a hard-limiter on the master insert to fatten the whole song up again.

again, i can't really tell you what or what not to do, since i'm not sure what you're aiming for and what your current settings (compression/eq) are.

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this guitar riff sounds a lot like the main riff used in pantera's 'five minutes alone'. i'm glad i could finally remember where i heard this rhythm before :).

Sexy piece as usual. Love the parts where the synths come in, the quiter part that comes before it makes it even more sweeter. I agree the snare sounds a bit "cardboardy", like Robert said. I think by tweaking the snare, it will sound a whole lot better :)

BTW, I googled cellaroom but didnt get any results for the guitar vst. Mind showing me the site?