"Gedanke"for Violin and guitar

hay all

i'm relatively new here...i play the classical guitar for two years now..

i have no Music theory Knowledge

und i'm reading now the "Harmony und voice leading" by Edward Alldwell & Carl Schachter..i'm currently reading unit n'6" the I V V7 chords "

i 've writting this piece und i want your opinion please to know whether this piece has any value at all....

a piece for a guitar und a violin as a solo...named "Gedanke"

i use "finale" but the programm did not apply all the expression(some ritardo here and there)that i have indicated..so i ll attach the pdf file so you could see the piece with all the expressions..

please note that the violin section in the repeat " around minute 2:00 " should be Pizzicato ..."until moment 2:15"

i have never touched a violin in my life but i like the sound of it..i do'nt even know if some of the notes even existe on it!

i welcome any criticism but please go easy on me this just my second piece i have ever written..and my knowledge in Music theory sucks..so do not use any heavy musical terms on my..i 'd not anderstand

thank you for taking the time in advance..

gedanke1.MID

Gedanke1.pdf

Overall a nice piece of music here. I couldn't understand those high B's on violin at measure 45-46. They seemed kinda forced in there just so that the violin ends in B.

The guitar part is rather nice, even though you could've used some variation of the 1st theme when the violin comes in. I'm a guitarist too and I've learned stuff on my own, but how on earth do you play the chord on measure 19? Can't seem to find the position for this one.

Cheers!

thank you dude so much for your comment

i don't know,i think that the high B at the end gives rather a good ....i don't know what to call it...a good effect!.

and you are right about the chord in the 19 mesure.propably the high f schould be omited ithink i schould review the whole piece to check if all the chords are possible!! (i did not try to play the piece with the guitar ..some of the guitar parts i wrote seem pretty hard...!!!!!)

yeah i was so happy that i found the perfect chords progression that i did'nt want to miss with it...and add variation to it..next time ill try to do some variation

Thank you for taking the time

there are, yes, quite a few of them impossible chords in the 19-22 measures. but i do quite fancy it. it's easy and fun to play

Be careful... you wrote an F below middle C in the violin part, and the lowest note a violin can do is G.

how does a violin sounds detuned? for example, being able to play an F below middle C as an open string. i know Paganini used to do that... but he raised the strings, right?

I love your guitar arpeggios! The chord prog is really nice, and very suited to guitar. And yes, every chord from 19 to 23 is impossible...! However, the piece is very beautiful. Maybe a nice harmonic detour/interlude would freshen the piece up. But, after saying that, I think it is great how it is. Can you play the guitar part??

I wouldn't write a piece for an unconventionally tuned string instrument unless there was real need for that... Altering the tuning can mess with the tuning of the whole instrument and it's difficult to keep it in that new tuning. And considering you only have one note out of the range and it's in a semiquaver passage, it wouldn't be worth it.

In bar 32 there's very little point using semiquavers instead of quavers in the violin part because it's pizzicato. If you use dynamics or articulation markings to indicate you want the notes shorter it will be clearer to read than the way you have it. When a violin plays pizzicato a semiquaver and quaver will have minimal difference in sound.

The same thing applies with a lot of the quavers as opposed to crotchets in arco sections for the violin, using articulation would give the effect I think you want and it would look better and be clearer. Also, for arco and pizz you don't indicate where it starts and stops using the dotted line, you simply write "pizz" where the pizz begins and "arco" when it goes back to arco.

I don't know that the repeated Bs at the end of the first section really work. Perhaps you could use some sort of arpeggio figure in the violin line to lead into what's coming instead?

Overall a nice piece, you should try to get it played, especially the violin part, by some friends or something. It will really give you a better idea of what works and what doesn't.

Best wishes,

Camilla

Its a nice piece, very clear with many "straight" lines. but dont you think the guitar sould be a piano?

Dude thank you dude "fun to play " you honestly made my day:)

thank you M is D i did not know that i ll try to avoid this the next time..but what is the higher note on the violin?

thank you zephyr i'm glad that you like it..actually i did not really treid to play some parts up to speed..while writting it i have played the progression a million time so idon't think i'll try to play this piece for a certain time.

Thank you Camilla for that tipp..i had no idee how the pizzicato are ordinarly notated in a Violin piece" pizz and then arco " got it..thanks

i ll try to change the Bs on the end of the first section like you have said..Thanks

Thank you Bolanos for your comment..

i like the guitar part for most of the piece but i'l try to add some variation to guitar part on mesures 20-23 ....

no these are not anticipatory figure for the half notes i don't really know waht to call them...maybe the quarter rest are interrupting the melodic flow but i went with my instinct..i did not like it without the rests..here the Entry should be soft and not that loud....it ' like someone sad is talking he is say a word then he stop and then say another.......that what i had in mind .

yes you are right i should add.some slur arcs...

Thanks so much

Siriust i play only the classical guitar..i did not really thought of a Piano ..may be it'd work even better idon't know ..

thank you all for your Comments