dremits Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Hi there, I have been working through qcCowboy's orchestration master classes and I would like to thank him for his time on those because they are very helpful. The guide notes that it should not be treated as a replacement for a good orchestration book so I was wondering what your recommendations are for a good book or books for learning techniques on orchestration. Perhaps you could recommend good reference books for instrumentation but also tutorial style books for orchestration. I think i'm reasonably comfortable with technical language (although perhaps you could note if the book you are recommending is particularly technical/advanced or too 'easy' if that makes sense). Thanks so much in advance and great to join this forum! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qmwne235 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 A somewhat obsolete but still useful book is Berlioz's Treatise on Instrumentation, which is free on International Music Score Library Project (IMSLP) Portal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dremits Posted February 2, 2009 Author Share Posted February 2, 2009 Thanks very much. Very useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenor10 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 The Adler book is quite amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 There are multiple threads about this. That said, I recommend the Blatter book and the Adler book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodin Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I've been reading Rimsky-Korsakov's Principles of Orchestration and it has proved to be extremely useful although it, too, is dated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jujimufu Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 It's not orchestration-related, but it's a nice read: "Searching for Dummies: How to use the search function in websites where there might be multiple previous threads about the topic I'm asking for" :whistling: EDIT: oh my, I found this after googling: http://www.amazon.com/World-Wide-Web-Searching-Dummies/dp/0764502646 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dremits Posted February 4, 2009 Author Share Posted February 4, 2009 Thanks to jujimufu but I know how to use the search function but was asking a little more specifically for me. So I take it your the arrogant smart arse around here then? But thanks to the genuine suggestions. Really appreciated. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jujimufu Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Oh, poor you. Thing is, all the books people recommended here have been recommended before to other people asking for orchestration books. So what exactly is it about them that make them "genuine" and "personal" reccomendations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dremits Posted February 4, 2009 Author Share Posted February 4, 2009 Thanks for the advice Bolanos. I think i'll loan all these books from the library where possible and then purchase the ones I favour. I think it's also a case of continuing research online as well. But thanks so much guys, will definitely look further. Oh and jujimufu, i'm sorry for posting a thread that is similar to others and, ok, I can't blame you for thinking this thread isn't unique so I apologise - I'll make sure I do a through search next time. I just think your response was unnecessarily patronising and a little rude. But hey i've been on enough forums to know that new guys who come across as being ignorant to forum rules are annoying, so, sorry. EDIT: Also: although, as I said, I would look into the books mentioned are there well thought of recent books that aren't outdated as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Though it's more a text on instrumentation than orchestration, Walter Piston's 'Orchestration' is a useful resource - goes into some detail about the technical limitations and specific techniques of each orchestral instrument. And welcome to YC :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePianoSonata Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Honestly, I would not bother with the Korsakov, Piston, or even Kennan and go straight to Samuel Adler. Adler's textbook w/workbook and CDs is fairly standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dremits Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 Ok then well thanks for the advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokkemon Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Thanks to jujimufu but I know how to use the search function but was asking a little more specifically for me. So I take it your the arrogant smart arse around here then? Yes. He surely is. :whistling: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokkemon Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 As much as Adler's book is reviered around the world these days, it's not perfect. The sections on trombone, organ, and percussion in general have a lot to be desired. While good for showing the individual instruments' limitations, ranges, colors, etc., it does not fair well in the actual "orchestration" section. It is very general and a lot of what he says is quite limiting if you were to follow all of his rules. So while Adler is good for some things, don't use it for everything. My recomendations for books for orchestration? 1) Complete Beethoven Symphonies 2) Complete Tchaikovsky Symphonies 3) Some Wagner operas 4) Complete Mahler Symphonies 5) The Rite of Spring, Stravinsky 6) The Planets, Holst 7) Any other major works that grab your fancy (except Brahms or Chopin, because they were a terrible orchestrators) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dremits Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 Hi Justin Thanks for your advice. I've been looking around the IMSLP so i'll start paying particular attention to the orchestration. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAI Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 you can find rimsky-korsakovs principles of orchestration online for free. just google it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePianoSonata Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 As much as Adler's book is reviered around the world these days, it's not perfect. The sections on trombone, organ, and percussion in general have a lot to be desired. While good for showing the individual instruments' limitations, ranges, colors, etc., it does not fair well in the actual "orchestration" section. It is very general and a lot of what he says is quite limiting if you were to follow all of his rules. So while Adler is good for some things, don't use it for everything.My recomendations for books for orchestration? 1) Complete Beethoven Symphonies 2) Complete Tchaikovsky Symphonies 3) Some Wagner operas 4) Complete Mahler Symphonies 5) The Rite of Spring, Stravinsky 6) The Planets, Holst 7) Any other major works that grab your fancy (except Brahms or Chopin, because they were a terrible orchestrators) The Beethoven and Tchaikovsky symphonies are AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL recommendations for studies in orchestration. AWFUL. Both are notorious for their piss poor handling of the orchestra. Please do not heed Justin's post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokkemon Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 The Beethoven and Tchaikovsky symphonies are AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL recommendations for studies in orchestration.AWFUL. Both are notorious for their piss poor handling of the orchestra. Please do not heed Justin's post. :blink: You have GOT to be joking right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dremits Posted February 8, 2009 Author Share Posted February 8, 2009 Ok then. So you some of you are divided then eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokkemon Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 NEWS FLASH! ThePianoSonata is a better orchestrator than Beethoven! lulz. :laugh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePianoSonata Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 NEWS FLASH!ThePianoSonata is a better orchestrator than Beethoven! lulz. :laugh: It's posts like these that confirm my belief that you do not go to Mannes, because any music student versed in orchestration should be better than Beethoven. Otherwise, they're clueless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokkemon Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 It's posts like these that confirm my belief that you do not go to Mannes, because any music student versed in orchestration should be better than Beethoven. Otherwise, they're clueless. It's called a difference of opinion. You may not hold Beethoven and Tchaikovsky's orchestration in high esteem, but it was respectively the height of orchestration of their day. It's no question that Mahler or Ravel are more complex orchestrators than Beethoven, but that doesn't mean "better." It's a completely subjective term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Alexander Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 I posted this in another section of the site, but here's a partial list of new orchestration books you might want to check out. You can find these at TrueSpec Systems - from Alexander University, Inc. - Music scores, Music Books, Keyboards and Audio. http://www.youngcomposers.com/forum/orchestration-books-18645.html#post280472 Professional Orchestration Volume 1 - Solo Instruments & Instrumentation Notes Professional Orchestration Volume 2A - Orchestrating the Melody Within the String Section Professional Orchestration Volume 2B - Orchestrating the Melody Within the Woodwind and Brass Sections (shipping Spring 2009) Professional Orchestration Sketchbooks Professional Orchestration Online Classes Instant Composer: Counterpoint by Fux Online Classes Street Smart Guides to Logic 8 Street Smart Guides to the Bach Chorales Composition Titles by Percy Goetschius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenkins567 Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Definitely Principles of Orchestration by Rimsky-Korsakov Frickin genius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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