weird Mac vs PC question

Okay....so,

You can run windows on a Mac. Why can't you use OSX on a PC?

Sure, I've run into the "hackintosh" mods and workaround hacks/patches, but why isn't it an established practice?

LOL!

Because Apple is run by idiots who think that exclusivity today is something to hold on... That's why... (And this is what Mac's have been providing all along those years, except the very recent ones were Intel took their pants! :D buahahahaha!)

(Of course I've no intention to turn this into a flame war thread, but then again PC will definately will, since it's better, and so will finale, EW, and btw, Real Madrit! BRING IT ON!)

(Sorry I couldn't be of any assistance Robin. :) BTW, the pagers/PMs I got from you... Anything happened with that?)

Like Nikolas said, I think it has much more to do with proprietary business practices than actual hardware limitations. Although from what I've heard, Hackintoshes are extremely ineffective and glitchy, since Apple has the opportunity to design an OS for extremely specific hardware since they keep it under lock and key.

"Because it's too hard"

The reason why you can run windows under osx is because of a very simple to use program and the wonder of emulation/virtualization -> boot camp (if I'm not mistaken)

On the other hand, trying to do the same with osx is like trying to force a triangle peg into a round hole: you can do it with enough force (or effort), but you end up breaking something and it doesn't end up working as well as it should.

Once virtualization/emulation gets better (the newer AMD/Intel chips have virtualization registers built into the main cpu), I am certain that this will become a bigger trend and much easier to do, even if Apple whines about it.

Few reasons...

• Apple knows its operating system is both desirable and architecturally superior to Windows, so it likes to be able to charge users the full price of actual hardware in order to use it.
  
• Stability can be increased if an OS is written for very specific hardware. This means Apple can spend all day tinkering with their software (and OS) to make it more pretty/user-friendly, and not necessarily compatible with every bit of hardware on the market.
  
• Ever since Apple started putting Intel chips in their machines, virtualization software has been able to run x86 binaries (including Windows) at a much faster speed than before, and probably with less hassle. This has encouraged consumer use of virtualized Windows instances running on Mac hardware. (As an aside, the old PowerPC chips used to be more efficient than their peers at running certain tasks often called upon in apps like Photoshop, which as we all know is frequently used by graphic designers. I think they switched because PowerPC fell behind a bit in the speed stakes.)
  
• Mac users frequently have the need to run Windows on their machines for compatibility purposes. PC users typically have far less of a need to run OS X for any reason.

^^^That's it right there!!!

Thanks guys, Mike especially.

It's what I figured all along, I just thought it ... kinda lame! OH WELL!!

@ Nikolas - you're Pro-PC? Me too right now...I figure, I can get twice the machine, for half the price. Also...stay tuned re: "the pagers/pm stuff" ;)

Thanks again guys...... I was just curious. :)

I figure, I can get twice the machine, for half the price.

It's more like the equivalent PC costs 10-15% less, in most cases. Apple do charge a premium but you should look at the detail. In some cases this gets quite technical and nerdy, which I delight in.

But just use whatever meets your needs. :)

It's more like the equivalent PC costs 10-15% less, in most cases. Apple do charge a premium but you should look at the detail. In some cases this gets quite technical and nerdy, which I delight in.

But just use whatever meets your needs. :)

Fair enough...I exaggerated. ;)

In the end, you're right, use whatever meets my needs. For me to get a suitably competent system - comprable to the Mac alternative will be significantly cheaper.

Some people are pro-pc for the simple fact that it's not from Apple.. :rolleyes:

It's looking like OSX wont be able to be Apple exclusive for much longer, which was inevitable as soon as Apple went intel. It looks to me like apple is preparing for that, but they're not quite ready.

Anyway, yes, macs are more expensive, but the bottom line is that sometimes they are just worth it. The technical support is better than anything else you could possibly get with a PC. 150$ for a 3 year warranty, and by default they come with a 1 year warranty. For some people the peace of mind is worth the extra money, and really the difference isnt as big as most people make it out to be,

The new macbook pro 15 inch has a 2.5G processor, 4GB ram default with 8gig capacity, 7 hour battery life, 1 year warranty, etc... find me a similarly specced PC laptop (taking into account weight and size, mind you) for 1700 or less.

find me a similarly specced PC laptop (taking into account weight and size, mind you) for 1700 or less.

I have yet to find a PSX emulator that will work with my Mac.

Buy a copy of Windows, install it with Boot Camp, then run whatever you need on the Windows partition. Or, get something like Parallels Desktop or VMware Fusion and run Windows from within OS X. The latter option is more expensive though, since you need to pay for two software licences.

*BUMP*

Anyone know of an... OSX emulator for windows? ...to allow the running of Mac softwares on a PC?

LOL!

Because Apple is run by idiots who think that exclusivity today is something to hold on... That's why... (And this is what Mac's have been providing all along those years, except the very recent ones were Intel took their pants! :D buahahahaha!)

(Of course I've no intention to turn this into a flame war thread, but then again PC will definately will, since it's better, and so will finale, EW, and btw, Real Madrit! BRING IT ON!)

(Sorry I couldn't be of any assistance Robin. :) BTW, the pagers/PMs I got from you... Anything happened with that?)

(SIGH) Really? Ok. I hope you're joking Nikolas... :P

Here's my background:

*PC user since I was literally in first grade (with those awesome floppy disks!)

*Produced audio on PC for six years exclusively before landing a studio job where I was forced to use a Mac Pro, Pro Tools HD and Logic and have since been creating professional audio on this type of setup for the past three years.

*Actually still have a PC (custom made DAW that cost $3,000) in my own personal studio.

The PC isn't better than the Mac. The Mac isn't better than the PC. They're different. I've been able to create great audio on a PC just as I've been able to do on a Mac but I have noticed some pros and cons to both. The Mac Pro set up does much better when scoring to film than my PC does. I can also load up a lot more active VST instruments into a Logic session than I can with Sonar. I mean ALOT more. I also have less rendering problems with my Mac set up than I do with the PC. Some of these issues are directly related to the operating system of a Mac compared to a PC and some of the issues stem from the software available for each platform. Some people hate Windows. Some people hate Apple. I see pros and cons to both.

Having said all of that, I am investing a large amount of cash into my studio upgrade in about three months and changing over to a Mac Pro. From the past several years of working with both, it seems that the Mac Pro (and the software available for it) works better to meet my goals and situation than my PC does... even though it is more expensive. But hey, in many situations you get what you pay for. There's a reason why many major studios in many different industries (video games, film and TV post production, music and recording, etc) use Mac Pros over PCs. Just saying.

Having said all of this, I don't really get into the whole "Computer X is crap! Computer Y ROCKS!" debate or argument. Why? Because they're just tools and each tool has a good and bad set of characteristics. In my situation Macs work better than PCs for the type of work I'm doing right now. Before I started doing professionally, PCs worked just fine for me. PCs may be the better fit for Nikolas but I hardly think the people behind Apple are idiots. I often see threads that compare this computer to that computer or this program to that one. If it's just for research and to know what you get from each item, that's more than fine! However I've noticed some of these threads turn into "fanboyism" where people just proclaim what they like as the best and insult anything else. This is particularly with the whole Apple vs PC debate. I think the best type of research is to work on both platforms. Of course this isn't always possible but it's the best way to see, for yourself, how each computer and set up will work for you. This is why I feel my observations of both are not invalid or extremely biased. Because I've been working with both tool sets over the past three years. My opinions are feelings on the matter are not swayed by what popular culture wants me to think, nor are they based on systems from years ago. I'm working with up to date software and hardware on both the PC and the Mac and I could list out many pros and cons to each.

Yes, I realize I'm being long winded :) but I wanted to respond to Nikolas' response.

That's my take at least,

Nate