Infernal Fantasy (along with a story)

Hey all!

As some of you know, I won the Morton Gould Young Composer Award and the Charlotte V Bergen award, meaning I scored highest in the competition, and, at age 10, am the youngest in history to receive this award. It was shocking at first, in fact, it still sort of is, and to you it may be as well, but I kid you not, this is the true story. (If any of you were there tell me!)

So, now for the story of the piece!

In movement one, there is a kid in the Arizona heat, daydreaming about wild dancing, thus the name of the movement. After that, in the second movement, the kid thinks about the AZ weather patterns. (wind and fire and rain and snow, to name some, plus that is the name of the movement) Sound like something bad is gonna happen? Wait and see :) NOW, it has been to long, and the poor kid starts to feel a little oozy.:wacko: So, I called the movement Massive Hypnosis. Then, the heat is to much and finally, the kid faints.

STILL NO STUPID MP3'S WORKING! (sorry guys:blush:)

here you are!

mvt 1: midi: Infernal Fantasy.mid - File Shared from Box.net - Free Online File Storage

mvt 2: midi: Infernal Fantasy 2.mid - File Shared from Box.net - Free Online File Storage

mvt 3: midi: Infernal Fantasy 3.mid - File Shared from Box.net - Free Online File Storage

mvt 4: midi: Infernal Fantasy 4 reduced scoring.mid - File Shared from Box.net - Free Online File Storage

mvt 1: pdf: Infernal Fantasy.pdf - File Shared from Box.net - Free Online File Storage

mvt 2: pdf: Infernal Fantasy 2.pdf - File Shared from Box.net - Free Online File Storage

mvt 3: pdf: Infernal Fantasy 3.pdf - File Shared from Box.net - Free Online File Storage

mvt 4: pdf: Infernal Fantasy 4.pdf - File Shared from Box.net - Free Online File Storage

I wrote this about, I'd say, a year ago. DO NOT WORRY!!!!! SMALLER PIECES ARE COMMING!!!!!!!!

PLEASE comment! The more posts the better!

Thanks!

Heckel

Edit: Trombones need an F note attachment thing :)

Very good work! I am amazed at your talent at such a young age.

It's funny, I just moved from Phoenix Arizona almost a year ago ... that's what Corridor is somewhat about. Go figure.

M

Very good work! I am amazed at your talent at such a young age.

It's funny, I just moved from Phoenix Arizona almost a year ago ... that's what Corridor is somewhat about. Go figure.

M

Thanks for listening Michael! Thanks for the comments :)

You moved from Phoenix? Lucky you :happy:

Your very welcome!

I spent 5 years in Phoenix.

Keep up the composing and post often!

And check out this post for me:

http://www.youngcomposers.com/forum/consummate-campaign-21433.html

M

Your very welcome!

I spent 5 years in Phoenix.

Keep up the composing and post often!

And check out this post for me:

http://www.youngcomposers.com/forum/consummate-campaign-21433.html

M

I post REALLY often :P

5 years? Poor you... poor me.. I have 10 :(

And why was I supposed to check that out?

I post REALLY often :P

5 years? Poor you... poor me.. I have 10 :(

And why was I supposed to check that out?

Just supporting a friend.

M

Just supporting a friend.

M

Oh, okay..:)

Keep commenting!

The midi was horrid. I apologize, but I can't judge you on the horrible sounds I heard on the midi, where the oboe d'amour sounded more like a high pitched tipani. Also, I am not good enough to judge solely on the score, again my apologies.

The midi was horrid. I apologize, but I can't judge you on the horrible sounds I heard on the midi, where the oboe d'amour sounded more like a high pitched tipani. Also, I am not good enough to judge solely on the score, again my apologies.

Oh it's fine :) Midis are one of those little displeasures in life :rolleyes:

Good stuff man, very impressive at your age.

As I said in the chat box, I don't know much about atonality, and I really don't like it (I love my Beethoven too much perhaps...), but there were many parts that were pretty good, as I said in the chat thingy :)

Keep it up man, anxious to hear your next compositions

You have won a competition with this? It was simply awful. Everybody can write random notes this is the easiest thing ever. But write a meaningful great melody an original one...this is hard..

Anyway writing atonal music is the hardest. As I said everybody can write random notes, but bring out something beautiful through dissonancy....this is hard...your piece is a crap I think as well as the score...hard to read

I'm wondering that if this was the winner piece, how horrible were the others???

Maybe the judges were deaf I dont know...I really dont like it.

I'm not against you just your piece...

Dont give up , even have some negative comments , i will always support what you are doing for now , and you are always a composer in my mind , add oil , Heckel

your sister . darkangel

You have won a competition with this? It was simply awful. Everybody can write random notes this is the easiest thing ever. But write a meaningful great melody an original one...this is hard..

Anyway writing atonal music is the hardest. As I said everybody can write random notes, but bring out something beautiful through dissonancy....this is hard...your piece is a crap I think as well as the score...hard to read

I'm wondering that if this was the winner piece, how horrible were the others???

Maybe the judges were deaf I dont know...I really dont like it.

I'm not against you just your piece...

Ouch...see, Heckel, people could've been meaner than me...and not as constructive.

Anyway, I'll take a look at this later; remind me by PM if I haven't by Monday. :]

It's not a queastion of how mean someone. He wanted comments and I said my own, even after he said he won a competition or two I expected more talent than that.

It's not a queastion of how mean someone. He wanted comments and I said my own, even after he said he won a competition or two I expected more talent than that.

Well, yeah...but at least you could be a bit more constructive about it. I'm sure he values your opinion but I think it would be much more helpful if you actually told him precisely what you didn't like it instead of just saying it sucked.

I understand you people 100%. Nobody like negative comments. But I cant say to him to learn to orchestrate cause the problem wasnt with the orchestration.

Symply this "piece" was hurt my ears and even the best orchestrator of the universe couldnt do it more enjoyable to me. I dont like dissonancy on its own...

But I like when a person use it intelligently as Liszt did not just write a bunch of random notes.

I can only suggest to Mr. "I-won-the-Morton-Gould-Young-Composer-Award-at-the-age-of-ten" to learn some harmony and counterpoint, and melody leading as well. To know always what he wants to achieve in music, not just write down random notes making a musical chaos. To have ideas and to be able to interpret in the best way exactly as he imagined (orchestration).

I have to study these too, but I always struggle to write something beautiful, full of fantasy and I not write atonal music till I havent learnt enough to achive beauty through dissonancy as well.

(And dont say to people that I won some competition till my music is such an amateurish work...)

Of course I'm not that rude with a person I know personally. But with a totally unfamiliar person whom I only met via the internet.... I'm 100% honest, I say exactly what I think. Sorry for harshness anyway its no offense as I said.

As I said in the chat box, I don't know much about atonality, and I really don't like it (I love my Beethoven too much perhaps...),

Yeah Elliot Carter (String Quartet No. 3, YouTube - Carter: "String Quartet No.3" (1)) didn't really like Beethoven's music either until he learned more about it and listened to it more, here's a link to the interview where he himself says it (YouTube - Elliott Carter Interview). Maybe you should listen to more atonal works from varying composers, ask around for/read about pieces that are considered masterpieces or worth listening to.

You may be surprised what you might find, a whole new world awaits.

I understand you people 100%. Nobody like negative comments. But I cant say to him to learn to orchestrate cause the problem wasnt with the orchestration.

Symply this "piece" was hurt my ears and even the best orchestrator of the universe couldnt do it more enjoyable to me. I dont like dissonancy on its own...

But I like when a person use it intelligently as Liszt did not just write a bunch of random notes.

Funny, many of my friends who never have heard atonal music think the second movement of my string quartet is just a bunch of random notes. I don't like "dissonancy" (*dissonance) on it's own, I don't think anyone could sit in a room with a dissonant sound and be comfortable longer than they could be with a consonant sound, and even with the latter there would need to be contrast at some point or insanity may ensue :-P.

You have won a competition with this? It was simply awful. Everybody can write random notes this is the easiest thing ever. But write a meaningful great melody an original one...this is hard..

I don't write "melodies" in the sense of a line with a tonality or a theme. I may write a 'line' with motivic properties, colors, nuances, a sense of direction and implied harmonic function, or the line may be a quick and violent or long and unfolding gesture.

Apparently enough people who are professors and study music for a living in some way or another believed that Graham's piece was not random and actually quite intelligent to win over other very established young composers (one of whom, Jay Greenberg, had a very neo-tonal/romantic symphony performed by the LSO, in addition to other works and now goes to julliard) .

Well, yeah...but at least you could be a bit more constructive about it. I'm sure he values your opinion but I think it would be much more helpful if you actually told him precisely what you didn't like it instead of just saying it sucked.

It's true... if you don't like it, you don't like it. You can't please everyone.... but yes it would be nice to say WHY you didn't like it instead of saying "I don't like this." You could have said, Norby, "I don't like it because of the...." whatever it is that you don't like. I want to know what you thought was wrong.

Thanks,

Heckel

I'm not really into atonal so I can't criticize it too good.

I can give you some orchestration tips though. Like I said in the shoutbox you've got some impossible glissandos on the trombone. Familiarize yourself better on how this instrument works. Some really high soprano notes in the choir, at least I think they're sopranos... you just wrote the choir part for female/male so it's not yet arranged for SATB. Anyway those high notes need divisi.

But good work, I'm impressed that you wrote such a large atonal work.

I'm not really into atonal so I can't criticize it too good.

I can give you some orchestration tips though. Like I said in the shoutbox you've got some impossible glissandos on the trombone. Familiarize yourself better on how this instrument works. Some really high soprano notes in the choir, at least I think they're sopranos... you just wrote the choir part for female/male so it's not yet arranged for SATB. Anyway those high notes need divisi.

But good work, I'm impressed that you wrote such a large atonal work.

Hey thanks for the comment! Really helpful!

Keep 'em coming!

Heckel cant you read? I said exactly why I dont like it. I can help you how to improve your composition skill, but I cant teach you to read, I thought a ten year old boy already learnt it...omg it will be harder then I expected.

AGAIN:

- It's random, hurt my ears and no talent in that in short.

I also suggested you to learn some harmony, counterpoint, melody leading and to try first try a more consonant piece and to always know what to want to achieve not just write random notes, know why are you write each note exactly.

But if you cant read this wont help you...and if you still dont understand I think nobody can help you. :whistling:

Norby, I can read, obviously. But somehow that really doesn't seem helpful...:whistling:

Graham,

I've just listened to the piece but like others was impressed but a bit confused by it. I am not going to critique it yet as I don't think I fully understand it. Clearly, there are brilliant ideas going on in here, otherwise judges including samuel adler wouldn't have awarded you first prize, I just don't think we are able to distinguish them. Thus, I think it would be helpful if you could provide more technical and detailed info about the piece so that some of these brilliant ideas can be revealed to us. Tell us about some specific motific, orchestrational, and structural ideas and how you developed them, then i'm sure people like Norby will be taking back their words and we will all be able to provide more constructive criticism.

Congrats on the win!

Graham,

I've just listened to the piece but like others was impressed but a bit confused by it. I am not going to critique it yet as I don't think I fully understand it. Clearly, there are brilliant ideas going on in here, otherwise judges including samuel adler wouldn't have awarded you first prize, I just don't think we are able to distinguish them. Thus, I think it would be helpful if you could provide more technical and detailed info about the piece so that some of these brilliant ideas can be revealed to us. Tell us about some specific motific, orchestrational, and structural ideas and how you developed them, then i'm sure people like Norby will be taking back their words and we will all be able to provide more constructive criticism.

Congrats on the win!

Thanks! Well, here is how the idea came to be... (is this what you were looking for?)

I live in Arizona, as many of you know. It was a hot day, and (inside) I daydreamed about some of these things. So, I decided to put my ideas into music. I thought, "The kid should be outside for an exiting ending." So, I went with one daydream for mvt. 1, one for mvt. 2, and then, if you stay out in the stupid Aridzona heat for to long, you start to feel... well, :wacko::wacko:

So, the kid eventually faints, due to no water + heat. I don't know why you are confused, but I hope this can clear it up.

Thanks,

Heckel