montpellier Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Mike, No one was disputing policy or moving this work, just the terse rudeness. A little tact wouldn't hurt: "As this submission doesn't actually conform to the forum rules...." or if brusqueness is the order of the day: "This work has been deemed unsuitable because...." But unfit? Well, it struck me; and maybe the poster who withdrew the work. I really don't know. I'm awaiting a reply to see if I can download it elsewhere. I mean, he's a professional - pleasant, helpful and has practical, sensible advice to give. As to the other matter, it hardly seems worth raising it again. I've deleted the music. I made noises at the time. In fact, another member took issue before I even knew. Suffice it to say that you aren't always around and the fate of submitted music can sometimes be at the whimsy of moderators; so I didn't want to spend half a day handwriting a legible score for its consignment to oblivion! Forewarned as they say. Thanks for enquiring. (ps, please excuse if I don't reply immediately, I'm trying to get to my workplace on the continent - difficult at the moment.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montpellier Posted August 14, 2006 Author Share Posted August 14, 2006 Well now you're just being foolish commenting on a choice of words. I suck at talking, get used to it. Just assume I mean well, I usually do. Then for Christ's sake stop reviewing and insulting people. You might be of moderate talent as a composer but you're an appalling reviewer. Sometimes your retorts seem calculated to hurt people - if you think not then take a long, hard look at yourself. Like, who the heck are you to tell me how I should adapt to your inarticulate verbiage? So you'd best get used to me biting back. Mike invited public comment - okay? Get a grip of yourself. Let it drop at that. k? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 As to the other matter, it hardly seems worth raising it again. I've deleted the music. I made noises at the time. In fact, another member took issue before I even knew. Suffice it to say that you aren't always around and the fate of submitted music can sometimes be at the whimsy of moderators; so I didn't want to spend half a day handwriting a legible score for its consignment to oblivion! Forewarned as they say. Thanks for enquiring. (ps, please excuse if I don't reply immediately, I'm trying to get to my workplace on the continent - difficult at the moment.) If a piece is too short, or too low quality, it won't stay in the Major Works forum. That's the way it is. Those standards maintain the MW forum's high standing here, because only the creme de la creme of submitted works get to remain there. Whether or not someone is a professional is irrelevant. Qccowboy is a professional composer, but that's not the reason his latest submission is still in MW. The reason it is still there is because it is of significant length and quality. It is incomplete in that only two movements have been submitted thus far, but I believe this is permissible, though once he's done writing the remaining ones, they may be merged with the existing thread for organisational purposes.The fate of submitted music is never at the "whimsy" of moderators. For one thing, three reviewers must agree that a piece does not constitute a major work before it is moved. For another, I check the moderator logs every time I come online, and obviously any moved threads will show up in these. Even if I'm not physically sitting at the computer while something is being moved, rest assured I will know about it, and I will always try to ensure there was good reason for moving something. In this case, there was good reason: the piece was too short. As for your case you mentioned, remind me about it and I'll take a look if you want. You can do this via PM or in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightfly Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 I cannot underestand why you people keep arguing inside this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 It isn't an argument at all. I'm just trying to clarify things for people, and when it applies to everyone I'd rather do that publicly than privately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightfly Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 I dont mind your rules. your site - your rules. It is the fact that such conversations took place in somebodys composition thread bothered me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montpellier Posted August 14, 2006 Author Share Posted August 14, 2006 The fate of submitted music is never at the "whimsy" of moderators. For one thing, three reviewers must agree that a piece does not constitute a major work before it is moved..... As for your case you mentioned, remind me about it and I'll take a look if you want. You can do this via PM or in this thread. Okay, but no need to do anything because the music has been deleted. I mean, the guy didn't even read the post according to his own words. Post #4 This is not in the correct thread. Moving to 'Repetoire'. and after some representation, post #7 Hmm...I didn't read the thread at all. I merely skimmed it, finding that there were no original compositions being presented. Therefore, being originally in the Orchestral section of the "Upload Your Compositions" forum, it was in the wrong place. whereon it sank to oblivion.M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 montpellier, the thread you cited was moved because Nickthoven thought you had posted it in the wrong category. Obviously he made a mistake, not realising that your original post was written tongue-in-cheek. People make mistakes, and people skim-read too. It can be a bad combination. I'd of course be happy to move the thread back to Orchestral if you want (putting the music back on Soundclick first would be nice, however). In any case, this actually has nothing to do with the MW guidelines or thread moving procedure, as the thread was moved not because it was deemed not to be a major work, but because it was believed to have been posted in the wrong forum. As for the fact that this discussion has taken place in Majesty's thread, and has quite considerably side-tracked it, to the dismay of a few people, I will shortly split off all posts related to this particular discussion into a separate thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaltechViolist Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Just as a guideline: a multi-movement work should have at least one movement finished before going in Major Works. Mostly what we're looking for is a real indication that 1) it's an ambitious project, and 2) you intend to finish it. In the future, I think the process should be: for unfinished movements, post in the appropriate forum, even if the work is intended to become a major work, and please ask a moderator to move your post to Major Works when you finish a movement. You can do this by sending one of us a PM, or by reporting your own post to the moderating staff and asking us to move it. I for one will be happy to do so. For the record, I believe Nico was out of line in making those comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaltechViolist Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 And then you continued going on about it. "You're really getting on my nerves, and I won't tell you why without sounding rude, so nevermind." And "I'm just following the rules" - as if to deflect all responsibility from yourself. Enough is enough. Time to get off that high horse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaltechViolist Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 I believe BitterDuck has been cautioned before, and believe me, I watch him just as closely as I watch you. That's beside the point. Your age does not give you license to be rude. Also, you are held to a higher standard than him because you are an official reviewer, and it has nothing to do with your age. Your privileges as a reviewer (moderator powers, etc.) come with responsibility, because anything you say can be read as an official YC statement. BitterDuck is just a regular member, so anything he says is his opinion alone. Surely you realize the difference between, say, your town's mayor badmouthing you in public, as opposed to a random guy on the street saying the same stuff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Also - BitterDuck isn't a reviewer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Kirk Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Neither is Chris Shaver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JohnGalt Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 You know what? It's pointless. Those of you who get offended so easily will never learn. Post removed on the basis that the views expressed herein are better suited for another topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Kirk Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 I agree (not that it matters, am I 'unfit' to say this Nico?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bitterduck's Revenge Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 Who cares. Nico will still review pieces but he won't have alittle tag near his name. OH NO! DON'T TAKE AWAY HIS TAG! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JohnGalt Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 Who cares. Nico will still review pieces but he won't have alittle tag near his name. OH NO! DON'T TAKE AWAY HIS TAG! Aye, although the problem lies not in the action, but the stir it caused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Kirk Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 *yawn* this stuff get's so old so fast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 Hmm yea.... who wants to do a good job in making a site about composition, where people can come and learn? Pretty ignoble if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montpellier Posted August 19, 2006 Author Share Posted August 19, 2006 And so it will be when certain credibility issues are sorted out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 Nico losing his reviewer position actually had nothing at all to do with the issue discussed in this thread. The decision was also taken on the back of far more than just a single incident, and the situation stretches back for many months. I'm going to close this for now while certain things are discussed privately, as I'd rather people didn't form judgments based on misinformation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 I believe all has been sorted now, so this thread will be re-opened. EDIT: Testing new edit time restriction changes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_is_D Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 What for, if the discussion is over? :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 In case anyone wants to post in it for any reason. :P P.S. Your avatar link is broken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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