Something I've noticed

All the people about my age on here (Nico, Thomas and Eddy to name but a few) seem much more mature than my peers at school.

Do you think this is to do with the fact that we all here dedicate ourselves to something and decide to learnabout it and that itself takes maturity or that most of the teenagers in Scotland are immature retards?

Mark

able to communicate intelligently with other people

Ah, two very different things!

I posted a lot on the old YC a few years back when I was in my early high school years. I could communicate really well, keep up an argument with the best of them, but I was in no way 'mature' -- I was a little prick!

I think it's because composing (and even the interest in composing) requires a certain level of intelligence, which shows in the writings of the people around here. It's why I'm always skeptical (that is, too-early-judgmental) of the people who pop in to YC, post something along the lines of "hi heres my song i hope u like it." I've never known a good composer incapable of keeping up intelligent discourse -- and it seems the best ones are most capable at communicating with words in addition to with music.

I agree... as I've observed it (having many young boyfriends in my life) a kind of maturity is effectively linked to 'intellectual' intelligence - opposed to manual intelligence here. Having goals and varied interest also help. So, that's really possible that you feel more 'mature' than most of the boys of your age.

Having a passion for music and wanting to enhance your own knowledge and experience without restraint contribute to your musical success. Musical success can mean the creation of worthwhile music and also the ability to play and perform, which requires a lot of discipline in that you're constantly pushing and challenging yourself to attain a higher level of understanding and ability.

Also, many kids avoid Classical music because it's not considered "cool." The ability to ignore peer pressure and form your own opinions about music and other things that you truly like (and sometimes love) also requires a certain amount of discipline and maturity.

If you have a passion for something (in this case--music), strive to better yourself, and you aren't afraid, intimidated, or restrained by negativity of any kind, there is a good chance you're on the mature end of the spectrum. And that's why I believe the minority of students that actually are mature choose to be here.

Perhaps our inherant maturity is only a misconception crafted from our jealousy of those who are truly mature?

Also, many kids avoid Classical music because it's not considered "cool." The ability to ignore peer pressure and form your own opinions about music and other things that you truly like (and sometimes love) also requires a certain amount of discipline and maturity.

CreationArtist is right.

Although you perhaps need to define "maturity" first, I can safely say that being a very abstract art form, Instrumental Music demands a certain amount of abstract reasoning from the composer. This certainly helps him/her in developing mentally. This mental development is different from those linked to "intelligence" as commonly perceived.

But I think good listeners and critics are much more "mature" than the creator who is obsessed with his own creations.

But I think good listeners and critics are much more "mature" than the creator who is obsessed with his own creations.

hahahahah in this case i think that maturity is a form of inferiority hahahahahaha see Beethoven, Mozart and others!!!!! all them obsessed:w00t:

Beethoven used to say : "I wish I could write like Mozart". None of them were obsessed, instead they heard a lot of others' and predecessor's music. Brahms wrote many music based on haydn and beethoven's work. They were good listeners first, and composers later. Zubin Mehta once said "Listening helps to develop the ability for music appreciation, the most important quality of a musician". Schumann, Schubert, Berlioz - none were "OBSESSED" with their own work, they were great lover's of their peers' music.

I repeat that a good listener and appreciator, who is much more mature, has the best chances of writing great music. He is mature because appreciating others' music dispassionately and analysing it requires an open mind, a keen sense of responsibility, suppression of ego and a sense of music (which someone aspiring to be a musician should possess in any case).

There are many instances of such here in YC. Just read Morivou's comments in this page :

http://www.youngcomposers.com/forum/string-quartet-g-minor-5343.html

His analysis may or may not be perfect, but just see his sincerity and honesty, and the use of language to avoid hurting the composer while conveying what Morvou really thought. If this is not Maturity, then what is ?

Beethoven used to say : "I wish I could write like Mozart". None of them were obsessed, instead they heard a lot of others' and predecessor's music. Brahms wrote many music based on haydn and beethoven's work. They were good listeners first, and composers later. Zubin Mehta once said "Listening helps to develop the ability for music appreciation, the most important quality of a musician". Schumann, Schubert, Berlioz - none were "OBSESSED" with their own work, they were great lover's of their peers' music.

I repeat that a good listener and appreciator, who is much more mature, has the best chances of writing great music. He is mature because appreciating others' music dispassionately and analysing it requires an open mind, a keen sense of responsibility, suppression of ego and a sense of music (which someone aspiring to be a musician should possess in any case).

There are many instances of such here in YC. Just read Morivou's comments in this page :

http://www.youngcomposers.com/forum/string-quartet-g-minor-5343.html

His analysis may or may not be perfect, but just see his sincerity and honesty, and the use of language to avoid hurting the composer while conveying what Morvou really thought. If this is not Maturity, then what is ?

Agreed. :(

Actually it's nice to think that I'm more matured than other guys at school... Oh yeah and one of my friends called me "old" for liking classical music and the beatles :whistling:

We, the proud children of civilization, like to believe that we are "free individuals", but are we really ? From morning to night, what we actually do is to try desperately to conform to society's "stereotypes"! "What others think of us" is the thought paramount in our mind all the time!

Hmmm, thesedays though it is particularly difficult not to be stereotyped, even without trying . People will label you with any title regardless as to whether they actually know you or not. :(

True, people seem to worry about what other people think of them,(that goes for EVERYONE, me included...occasionaly :P) and it's wrong to change for other people, or as you said Shekhar to conform to socitety's stereotypes, yet it's just as silly to forcefully be 'different'. Why give up something you like just to avoid being stereotyped?

Just because you are doing something that lots of other people do doesn't mean you are knowingly 'conforming' to a steroetype. It's just something you like!

I like playing games, does this make me a 'geek'? umm no.

I play guitar and listen to rock music, am I just another rock god wannabe? Hell No! :whistling:

crikey, long post for me there haha!

yes im 17 and live in scotland, and many a folk are gourmless fools, but they see you as the same. just becuase you deem yourself gourmful(? :-s) compared to them, they probably consider them selves more 'down to earth' than you. but even still i agree with you........:-S

There are many instances of such here in YC. Just read Morivou's comments in this page :

http://www.youngcomposers.com/forum/string-quartet-g-minor-5343.html

His analysis may or may not be perfect, but just see his sincerity and honesty, and the use of language to avoid hurting the composer while conveying what Morvou really thought. If this is not Maturity, then what is ?

WOW, thanks a lot Shekhar. That is really awseome of you to say that!

i cant help but feel a bit of nastyness here

how do you mean Aleximo?

today i stood up to one of the complete pricks that everyone in my year seems to be scared of, he came up and slapped me in the face as usual (butterfly) and i said piss off fatty. i got a punch in the face for it but gently caress me it felt good, he then said go on then, punch me, and i laughed at him, got another punch for it though.

God i hate those type of people

ouch! um..no pain no gain i guess? :whistling:

seriously tho more power to you dude, punching him would've only seen you stoop to his moronic level, sounds like you handled it well considering! :)

today i stood up to one of the complete pricks that everyone in my year seems to be scared of, he came up and slapped me in the face as usual (butterfly) and i said piss off fatty. i got a punch in the face for it but gently caress me it felt good, he then said go on then, punch me, and i laughed at him, got another punch for it though.

God i hate those type of people

Shame about this, Mark. Nonetheless, I'm a fan of retribution. Makes you feel better. Send da boyz round...

I probably could've done some considerable damage if i hadn't stopped myself but the problem is, i have about 2 friends and this guy has a whole posse who would've come and beaten the scraggy out of me if I'd done anything.

I think it's because you're comfortable and can relate alot more with people around here. Why would you act unmature when you are trying to share somthing you love with someone? I don't believe it's intelligence, because I'm mature, and my fridge is smarter than me.

I probably could've done some considerable damage if i hadn't stopped myself but the problem is, i have about 2 friends and this guy has a whole posse who would've come and beaten the scraggy out of me if I'd done anything.

Oh, we Portuguese kids very rarely beat each other. Where do you live?

scrafty little scotland