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The Best Textbook and the Best Teacher
Throughout my experience as a student and as a self-taught musician in various areas of music, one thing has become very clear to me. There are two types of educators, of teachers: those who theorize endlessly (and have never composed anything) and those who are actual composers. I don’t mean to say that just because someone is a composer, they’ll automatically be a good teacher. This year, I’ve been fortunate enough to have a teacher of orchestration. He’s also a composer by profession. And he doesn’t follow or directly recommend any book, treatise, or anything of the sort.... He says—and he’s right—that the real learning comes from the scores themselves. The most valuable thing I’m learning is how to find solutions to the things I want to orchestrate, rather than formulas for instrument combinations, etc. And I want to give an example that has caught my attention recently. I was listening to Otello by G. Verdi. And I noticed that, no matter what’s happening in the score—which is a lot and quite complex—there’s a pedal in the low register of the organ with three notes in a cluster: C, C-sharp, and D. This pedal lasts six and a half minutes!! And you can hear it in the background, especially with headphones and, I imagine, in a live performance. Why did Verdi write this? Why doesn’t it clash horribly with the rest of the music? These are the questions I’ve learned to answer. What do you think of this musical device?
Today
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String Sextet in G-flat major (My best work in my life up to date!)
Yup, they are 陸王心學 instead of Zhu XI's 理學. And I really love them! I didn't go through them one by one, but I did read some Chinese philosophy books so I can basically grasp their thoughts. And their thoughts are essential in this piece of music. Thank you! I love that section too, it's definitely the climax of the 1st movement! I'm not that knowledgeable about Chinese music either so I don't know why I write like this, but in case the product is good it's good haha. But the Chinese spirit is true, I write this piece totally because I'm inspired by Chinese philosophy. Yeah again I don't know how I wrote that! Thank you! Thank you! Henry
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String Sextet in G-flat major (My best work in my life up to date!)
I've already listened to this piece of yours, but I didn't give you feedback. Now, it's time to do so! My first impression was, "Tasty, this is a great composition." Really great, man — you've composed a great one! Around 12:35 was a so shining and beautiful section throughout listening to the whole piece. I don't know why, but I felt some kind of Chinese music spirit in that section. (Sorry, I'm not knowledgeable about Chinese music, but, you know.) Also, I loved how 40:00 was unique. I liked it. Nice, man, hats off to you, Henry! Oh! I know Lu Jiuyuan! He eventually influenced Wang Yangming, right? And... I know Zhu Xi, Zhou Dunyi, Xunzi, Zou Yan, and Song Yingxing, haha. I knew about them through learning history. Best, Lithl.
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Lithl started following Grant Weep
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A Waltz for Ning
Me. I've never written a single love song in my life. That is because no one wants to receive my noisy music 😅 But maybe someday? If I get a "beautiful musical spirit". Honestly, watching someone play is better for me. One reason is that I can glimpse their individual spirit a bit. On the Internet, it is difficult to get their character, so it helps me to understand not only their music but also themselves even better. Another reason is... "I CAN'T READ SHEET MUSIC!", haha. It's very personal since most of you guys can read it. As for this piece of yours and the video itself, I have already commented on your video, as you know. Have a wonderful day, grant. Oh, also, glad to know you love Bill Evans. I really love him too. He definitely has — hard to explain — unique and lovely, gentle, harmonic textures, touch, and tone, really great. I love him... He is one of the few musicians whose music, even when I hear clipping in his album, I not only don't care, but I couldn't care because I am totally indulged. Have you ever listened to the album "Living Time"? That is different from his main musical spirit, but it is also an amazing one. I talked too much, sorry, haha. Best, Lithl.
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Henry Ng Tsz Kiu started following The Crystal Maiden (piano miniature)
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PeterthePapercomPoser started following A Waltz for Ning
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The Crystal Maiden (piano miniature)
Hello, Since you are looking for feedback on the images your piece evokes I will share some thoughts. measure 1 - it feels very playful for me. measure 17 - I get this very specific feeling of a sense of wonder and hardship measure 25 - this part feels especially dance like measure 36 - it gets a bit goofy here measure 52 - it ends on a playful note for me. The piece is very nice, it doesn't feel too lifeless to me.
Yesterday
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A Waltz for Ning
I've written many love songs over the years for specific individuals. This is...really just another love the song. The opening notes are supposed to represent how my heart stopped and fluttered when I saw her and hopefully my feelings for her will now be immortalized on the internet. I noticed that people don't seem to post too many love songs on this forum...but which one of us have not written a love song at some point in our lives? I wrote this one earlier this year and got around to recording it last weekend. Trying some new formats. I notice that a lot of people here don't tend to post live pieces. Do people like having the sheet music, vs watching someone play? Let me know....Recorded on a Bechstein Grand. I might try to add the sheets in so you can see my hands playing and the sheet music, if people feel this is a nicer format
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Songs Without Words Vol. I
Hi @MinGry , thanks for clarifying the intention. Of course, with that in mind, many of my comments become irrelevant :-), but it was a fun and interesting exercise anyway. And yes, I agree that if it gets played, that's finally an excellent achievement, I agree! Take care, Julien
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Songs Without Words Vol. I
@mazeth Thanks a lot for taking the time to play through the pieces and write such an extensive review! Did want to clarify something regarding the simplicity of the accompaniment. That was quite intentional across the collection. After working on more formally structured sonatinas, I enjoy writing something more simple in between. It's especially fun to think pieces like this might actually get played by someone which is exciting! To address measure 6 of the first piece I am actually curious about what people think about this. From the perspective of harmony you are absolutely right it should be an F# instead of Gb. What made me write Gb is just creating visual stepwise motion between the lines. I am not sure if my logic is justified in that haha! To address the measure 10 G natural. I tried to play around with minor melodic scale which is why I decided to go with G natural. While using a Major V to have a stronger pull back to i. I am not sure how classical this is of course, just trying to explain the thought process! Thanks again for the comment!
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The Crystal Maiden (piano miniature)
Thanks, Mark! I’m glad the piece came across as friendly and charming. Thank you for listening. =)
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“The Last Request” (a decadent romance)
Thank you very much! =)
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The Crystal Maiden (piano miniature)
A "witty" "charming" work with a nice friendly "glow"! Mark
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“The Last Request” (a decadent romance)
A lovely song. A very passionate composition that suits this style of romantic song perfectly.
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Lala joined the community
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Sonata no 27 in C major ( Binary)
My dear friend, thank you so much for your kind words and, above all, for your wonderful support. I truly enjoyed it immensely. There is nothing more beautiful than hearing your compositions performed by such fine musicians and seeing them appreciated so much. Once again, thank you both from the bottom of our hearts.🙏🙏🙏
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Homage to a Longing Memory
Since today is the deadline and I've already submitted, I'll share it here for y'all's thoughts on its final version. The competition is blurred for privacy. If you can, give me realistic criticisms on both audio and PDF, and things that a judge could mark me off for. Also write some positives, things that a judge would consider and like. Here are the final files: Homage to a Longing Memory.mp3 Homage to a Longing Memory (edited).pdf
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Songs Without Words Vol. I
Hi @MinGry I put myself behind the piano and tried jamming a bit on it. Here are my first impressions: Piece 1: - mm. 1-23: - The melody material is interesting. - I found the accompaniment too simplistic: the chords are too obvious and they lack some "colours". What I did while jamming was to create a pedal, by keeping the A at the bass (along with the chords you use, E, Dm, Am), and adding some colours on the way, e.g.: Dm6... I would also make it more "lively" by replacing the half-notes at the bass by continuing the eigth progression. I always found that creating a good accompaniment - one which is interesting and that "promotes" the melody - was the hardest part, so don't dispair, you're not alone. - mm. 24-28, I liked the transition: simple and short, with an interesting third voice. - mm. 29+, good to fall back on the melody, but I felt it was a bit too early to repeat the exact same pattern: I would recommend to add a bit of variation (either in the rhythm, the accompaniment or the melody itself) - m6: I believe F sharp would be more correct than G flat (as you're temporarily in the A scale) - m10: last note of the treble, I felt G sharp would be more appropriate than G? Piece 2: - overall, pleasant simple piece, with an agreeable melody --> I feel it had less potential than in the first piece, it didn't inspire me as much. - the accompaniment is also very simplistic, which makes it an excellent piece for beginners. - the end of the score doesn't correspond to the music Piece 3: - again an interesting melody. - the bass is more elaborate, but would deserve some more colours. Typically, when you play a chord e.g.: m. 11, try not to start with the same note as in the melody, and try as well to not always start by the fundamental of the chord (F is this case, which you could have replaced by an A - also part of the F chord. In m. 12, the bass could start with a B flat, making your chord a C7, ideal to then reach your chord F in m.13 - also an interesting chromatic progression at the bass) - in m8, you introduce some dissonances (C and C sharp), that may well suit a jazz piece, but I felt it didn't fit very well with the overall athmosphere of the piece. I tried a C9 - starting with a D and descending, I felt it fit better. Thanks for sharing, I enjoyed discovering your work, and playing around melodies of pieces 1 and 3! Take care, Julien
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mazeth started following Songs Without Words Vol. I
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The Crystal Maiden (piano miniature)
Thank you very much for your positive feedback. Yes, you’re right—a celesta would have worked well at the beginning. In fact, I was, to some extent, imitating one by using the piano in its highest register.
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The Crystal Maiden (piano miniature)
A curious and lovely piece. You’ve made good use of the piano’s range. At first, the very high register can be a bit tiring, but this is soon offset. It would probably sound good on a celesta, an instrument we associate with this sort of scene.
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Sonata no 27 in C major ( Binary)
Wait, what? One of my favorite composers in this forum, Vasilis's piece is played by one of my highly regarded pianists, Henry? Great, this is a good day, I can say that, certainly. Hey, Henry, well done — this is well played and beautiful. This performance breathes life into the piece even more. As for the composition itself, Vasilis, as I said, amazing. So amazing. Thank you, thank you for sharing this!! Shout out to both of you guys! Best, Lithl.
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Sonata no 27 in C major ( Binary)
Here I am delighted to share a recording of my sonata, beautifully performed by my dear friend @Henry Ng Tsz Kiu I feel truly honoured by this wonderful gesture, and I cannot thank him enough for the time, care and generosity he has devoted to bringing my music to life. Dear Henry, thank you from the bottom of my heart. You are not only a remarkable composer but also an outstanding pianist, and knowing that you have chosen to perform a sonata that I dedicated to you makes this occasion even more special and meaningful to me. I feel deeply grateful and honoured. Thank you, my dear friend! Vasilis Sonata no.27 1st Nov 2026.mp3
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Forest Path - Short Orchestral Character Piece
Hello fellow composers! I wanted to share a short piece I wrote called Forest Path. With this piece, I was trying to evoke the feeling of walking along a quiet trail through a dense forest — something intimate, peaceful, and reflective, with a sense of gentle exploration. As with my previous pieces, I’ve been trying to focus on melody, orchestral color, and restraint. The goal was to create a warm, lyrical atmosphere using relatively transparent textures and gentle harmonic movement, rather than relying on large dramatic gestures or extensive development. I’m continuing to experiment with writing short, self-contained pieces that establish a distinct musical character without becoming overly complicated. One of my goals with this project is to improve my ability to write memorable melodies and use orchestration to support the atmosphere and expression of the music. I’m particularly interested in whether the musical ideas feel engaging throughout, despite the relatively simple structure and restrained writing. I’d also welcome any thoughts on areas where the piece could be developed or refined. Thanks in advance for listening! Forest Path - CONCERT SCORE Ver 1 YT.pdf
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gmm started following Forest Path - Short Orchestral Character Piece
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Henry Ng Tsz Kiu started following “Vampiress” (a city fantasy song)
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Alexx started following “Vampiress” (a city fantasy song)
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“Vampiress” (a city fantasy song)
“Vampiress” (a city song from the cycle of musical illustrations to Max Dalin’s novel “The Bonfire and the Salamander”) Music by Alexander Khomenko Lyrics by Konstantin Chiganov Lyrics: They told me: “You love a corpse, you fool.” Did you think decay would make me flee? The bite of her lips, so cold and cruel, And I will have the last laugh, you’ll see. The graveyard is a twilit garden’s gloom, The tomb, our bridal chamber, waits. Her hair’s sunset lights up the coffin’s room, And on that bed my strength abates... Her fangs gleam sinless in the night, Her crimson eyes make a vow: Undying love, and by their light Hell and heaven are nothing now! Our wondrous path, our frozen sleep, To catch the thread of fate and blood! Love Twilight’s princesses, love deep, And drink not wine, but life, a flood! (translation by Claude)
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orchestral waltz
Good day. I’ve watched and listened to your waltz. It’s a pity that almost the entire string section was cut off in your score. I liked your idea. The character and the image are interesting. However, your orchestration raises questions. With a live orchestra, all of this will sound worse than in computer playback. You have a lot of unjustified voice crossings, a lot of imbalance, and instruments used in registers where they simply won’t be heard. And if a part can’t be heard, there’s no point in writing it. Take the very beginning. The theme is in the first violins, divisi. Meanwhile the second violins and, I assume, the violas provide harmonic filler, playing the accompaniment. What’s more, you reinforce this accompaniment with the woodwinds and even the brass! In real life, this will produce a very noticeable tilt toward the waltz accompaniment, while the melody will sound pale and inexpressive. On top of that, your first and second violins cross each other. That’s not good. The flute won’t be heard in measures 2-7. It’s too low for it there, and it will sound weak and pale. In this orchestration, the other instruments will completely drown it out. The brass chords raise questions too. Judging by your score, you aren’t taking into account that in real life the horn is about half as loud as the other brass instruments. This means that many of your chords will fall apart in practice. The trombones and trumpets will heavily outweigh the horns. And, as I understand it, you give the theme to three trumpets and flutes? I don’t think that’s the most successful solution. Your melody is fast and rhythmically quite complex. Even setting aside how technically difficult this part is for the trumpets, the very fact of three players performing it in unison will cause problems. They can easily drift out of sync. But, I repeat, I liked your idea, and the image is interesting. I wish you creative success. Alex
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PeterthePapercomPoser started following orchestral waltz
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A little something...
Many thanks for listening! I did think I might add a seed shaker or tambourine near the end, where the violins are playing tremolo. Maybe I could add some harp too.
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orchestral waltz
orchestral waltz no. 2.pdf orchestral waltz no. 2.mp3 started from a piano piece, I am aware the counterbass has about 12 notes bellow e, which would require an additional c string to play, and that the score does not have proper player markings anything else, concerns, suggestions, and so on, I would love to hear also pretty sure that the tuba part is impossible to play softly like I notated :3