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Here's the thing, though: "AI", by itself, is pretty much meaningless. For decades, people have been using "AI" to refer to the programming controlling NPCs in video games, for instance. Sometimes, "AI" is used in a sense that covers any machine learning or neural network application. More recently, "AI" has caught on in the context of Large Language Models like ChatGPT that take a prompt as input and then use some minimization function over their corpus of training data to predict what the most likely response to that prompt would be. The broader class of software including LLMs and similar models that output images, sounds, etc., are called "generative AI". And because "AI" is such a hot topic now, anyone whose software product uses anything resembling a neural network is going to be sure to advertise it as "AI". In my opinion, it would be better to use more precise language and, when we mean LLMs, say "LLMs". But I suppose that ship has sailed. In any event, clearly what is under discussion here is whether music composed by a generative, LLM-like software should be permissible here - and as I've said, I don't think it should be, since this is a composition forum and there's no sense in posting a piece of music you didn't compose. But by the same token, if you composed the music, then of course you should be permitted to post it, regardless of whether you used tools that are advertised as "AI" to produce the audio mock-up of the music you composed.

I think we are discussing more on the authorship when a composer is REALLY the one who composes the work themselves. As long as the AI doesn't interfere with the composing process it should be allowed, so AI programs like Cantai or Note Performer are no problem at all. Henry

Since this is a composition form, it is difficult to have to have live performances, I will ask this: What are your thoughts regarding Note Performer? @PeterthePapercomPoser @Aiwendil Here are mine: NP has it owns instruments that are used in playback in notation play back. Thus, this is similar to how VST library operates: each library is. They have they own instruments. It cannot replace DAW and those VST. When it comes to mock-ups, composers usually work with in daw. But they could use NP, too. The studio string orchestra that performed my piece was sent a midi mock up with score and parts. I.e. I am fine with a midi mock-up with score and parts (either from daw or using NP). But I am not fine with something like Suno. That is not mock up! I hope this helps

Right because by that reasoning .. if I were to use a VST plugin with AI assisted vibrato modeling or some such thing, it wouldn't be permissible to post.

I’m kind of on the mix opinion here for me AI music seems very dishonest and rather very silly in its own part. It should have no place competing against real human work however, though I am completely foreign, even encouraging the use of some AI music software’s. (stuff like cantai.) that allows for the performance of a human work to be perfected. Thing number one: I definitely feel like that a performance using AI is not as bad again this is not regarding about the performance of music. This is a regarding about people’s compositions. Thing number two: it should be unfair to have AI as a wild thing in competitions. Sure they could be in an events. Events are perfect for AI as that nobody is competing against anybody, however, though I feel like top priority should be given to real people’s human works first AI could wait. Competition competitions and AI do not mix unless if you have a AI only competition My final thing to say though is, I am very mixed about having a AI only sub if we do have one sure I wouldn’t mind as much and it’s not a huge problem but again you’re not composing music at least there should be someplace for AI music here and to have at least a very strong filter that can be unable to get rid of it for those who do not want any part of it things to go against AI is definitely some anti-AI software to tell if someone is using it for ill intent. At least some knowledge of a piece of music can work as proof and even if it’s a short thing, then at most a score to accompany with it. Honestly for contests score in audio should be mandatory unless if stated otherwise. Thank you.

good catch, fixed it :3

@Kvothe I don't know what you mean by "Cantai isn't AI". It literally says on it's website that it's an AI tool for generating vocal mock-ups.

@Fruit hunter Cant is not what being referred here. That is more score play back and it is not AI. Same goes for NP. Walden is similar to what one would do in a daw. Those are fine. What is not Suno. Suno is completely AI. No perfomace at all. It just words written into app and then creates music? but how?

@Vonias I don’t think anyone mentioned this, but it looks to me like you made the initial score in MuseScore (the font looks similar, and you wrote it on a “piano”). I noticed because you talked about the aeuouae, and it seemed you tried putting that in a descant and had trouble with the ai “replicating it.” Then you input that into Suno trying to get a close audio rendering of it (you said 100% audio input), and it gave you something similar, and that produced the second score which was rhythmically correct with the audio and had correct parts (SATB and Organ). This corrects any notion that he completely used ai, and didn’t use any compositional skill. @AngelCityOutlaw I was mostly commenting to try to help you with the vowels. As a Catholic who sang chant, the “aeuouae” are actually the last vowels of the words saeculorum amen. Almost every chant ended with the “Glory to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit…” prayer, of which the final words are “forever and ever, amen,” or “saecula saeculorum amen.” It would be different from the tradition to try to use those vowels as a descant apart from the words, or those two words apart from ending the song with the whole prayer (starting with Gloria Patri). The later choral tradition was just to end pieces with a longer, flowery “Amen,” so you could try that:) Cheers, and happy composing.