healey.cj Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 Hey, Okay, so I'm writing a solo piece for Clarinet at the moment which is going very well, but I lack an appropriate musical term. The section started with this very fanfare-like statement of the theme, then there was a completely unrelated bit which was lower and legato, then a bold 4 bar development of the theme. Then, there was a development of the second, and now: I want the original motif/theme to sing out in a very shy manner. Like it is scared of being heard after the legato because it is so different. I've already indicated the dynamics a being quieter but I want to make sure any performers actually get what it is meant to be played like... SO what is the musical term for saying "Played shyly" Thanks! Chris :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collaborn Visions Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 Furtive, uncertain, timid, meek, stealthy. And if there turns out to be no official term that suits your needs, then invent it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jujimufu Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 "In a shy manner"? The above suggestions work as well :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSC Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 STEALTHY? Oh scraggy, that's AWESOME. I want to write something that needs the indication "Stealthily." What would that even mean? You'd hide during performance? Tactical Espionage Action? Play from inside a cardboard box? Not to derail...TOO much, I'd use "Timidly" if I wanted to play something shyly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 I think by 'musical term' you may mean an italian term? If so then I suggest if you don't know it, then your performer won't - so you'll be causing more confusion than necessary. If I'm wrong and you want English just ignore this post :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiming Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 Google Consult it; wise it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvana69 Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Timido would be the Italian word for "Timid" which has the same basic meaning as "shyly" while sounding quite a bit more pretentious. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romanticist Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Dictionary.com look for a synonym Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morivou Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Timido would be the Italian word for "Timid" which has the same basic meaning as "shyly" while sounding quite a bit more pretentious. :D I agree! If you are looking for an EASY to understand Italian Musical term this is the one to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 How about affannoso? I've probably spelt it wrong, but I've used it before in a similar way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romanticist Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 How about some english? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Where I live, it's pretty much a necessity to write your musical terms in Italian. It's just the done thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romanticist Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Where I live, it's pretty much a necessity to write your musical terms in Italian. It's just the done thing. Well do what Stravinsky did and break through the norm! Or well then again you may be destroyed by a mob, but it's always worth taking the risk. :) What I don't get is how are people supposed to know what the words mean in Italian, Do you speak Italian Daniel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 No, I don't. I also don't play the clarinet, yet I write for it. I don't need to speak Italian to know what "amabile" means or "forte" or "allegro" - and performers spend their lives learning and reading this stuff, so there's no communication problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Gently Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Italian is a commonly used language for music, that's why it's a good idea to use it ;). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gardener Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Does it make sense to use it for words which aren't a musical standard though? Pianissimo, allegretto, grave, con fuoco, col legno tratto all the way (or a "new combination" with well-known terms such as molto/poco/subito/pi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenor10 Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 You could just say shyly, or look it up it italian if you want to sound cool. My comp. teacher told me once, "You're the composer, you can do whatever you want." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jujimufu Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 I agree! If you are looking for an EASY to understand Italian Musical term this is the one to use. Timido is much less likely to be understood by people than "shyly"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Gorrick Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 You aren't Italian, judging by your post in English, so please just write it in English. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Gorrick Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Italian is a commonly used language for music, that's why it's a good idea to use it ;). So are French, German, English, and Russian. Basically wherever that composers happens to be from. Americans/English speakers seem to bear this immense amount of guilt for embracing anything that might be their own culture. It's okay to write English words on your music!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Gorrick Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Where I live, it's pretty much a necessity to write your musical terms in Italian. It's just the done thing. Why, do you live in Italy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 No, I live in a country where Italian is the standard for communication on a score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest QcCowboy Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 To get slightly technical: if you use english terminology for one thing, then you must use english terminology for ALL things in your score. This is one of the basic rules of engraving. Do not switch to mutiple languages for score expressions within the same score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gardener Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 That makes sense, but you still have to draw a line in most cases. I.e. even if you used english terminology you'd probably use "p" for piano instead of "softly", and even "pizzicato" instead of "plucked" or "vibrato" instead of "wavering". Glancing through a couple of scores I have here I can barely find any that just use a single language for musical indications (well, Italian composers are often exceptions of this). Being too strict about just using a single language can make certain things needlessly complicated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetetic Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Esitazione = tentatively Con cautela = with caution Nervosamente = (you can guess!) Furtivamente = (again, it's a cognate) Timidamente = means 'timidly' rather than just 'timid' Nervosamente is the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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