chords in finale!!!!!!!!!!

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[12:06am]

Surely to god you don't have to type each individual note of each individual chord???

There must be a short cut that will allow me to type 'A' for a generic 'A' chord and so forth?

Isn't there?

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[12:11am]

help????????

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[12:15am]

any1?

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[12:28am]

come on people!

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Read the damn help file, do the tutorials, and stop being an impatient brat.

Sha-WAD,

Chill out.

You can't expect instant responses....especially when it's after midnight for the majority of members. And, please refrain from double/triple/quadruple posting please.

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Anyway, (as far as I know) you can use the chord symbol tool, finale will play basic stock voicings...but, there's no way to have it generate them on the staff. Don't be a lazy scallop, and input them...there's only 3 notes.

Did you try reading the manual? [edit: HI FLINT! ;) ]

I did read the manual, I found nothing on this subject.I don't understand the anger btw, from either of you.I know that on this forum threads and posts are allowed to slip into obscurity unless a proactive approach is maintained.(Thx for replying btw).Where is the chord symbol can I ask?

Also, Is there a way to transpose a piece of music to a different key automatically?

I did read the manual, I found nothing on this subject.

Which should lead you to the conclusion that it's impossible.

I don't understand the anger btw, from either of you.I know that on this forum threads and posts are allowed to slip into obscurity unless a proactive approach is maintained.

Next time give it a few DAYS...not minutes.

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Where is the chord symbol can I ask?

Also, Is there a way to transpose a piece of music to a different key automatically?

Were you lying when you said you read the manual? These are both moronically simple, BASIC functions of the software.

Read. The. Manual.

It'll be considerably quicker than posting and impatiently awaiting a response on here.

:whistling:

LAWRD, GIVE ME STRENGTH!!

Mulitiquoting me, tssk, tssk.Nobody wins quote wars :(

I couldn't wait a few days, this is quite pressing.I read the manual, honestly, but none of these things are mentioned.If you an link me to the page with the solution, I will formally apologise, but you won't be abe to because the solution does not exist.

I shouldn't assume we're talking about Finale (is it Finale you're using? Not "Finale PrintMusic" or "Finale Notepad"??) What version?

The Chord Tool

The Key Signature Tool

(from Finale's own website, no less!!)

Please... don't give me this bullshit about 'transpose' or 'Chord Tool' not being in the manual. This is basic, BASIC stuff...I don't even know why I'm bothering to help, I should be in bed!!

Go here from now on: Finale Customer Suppor

Ah, this could be it.I'm using finale notepad.

I used Finale NotePad for a long time; believe me these things are possible and they are in the manual. The Chord tool looks like "Cm7" and the Transpose tool should look like a key signature with a couple of flats. Although it is not possible to transpose sections of a piece with NotePad you can transpose the entire piece to any key and this will change the chords automatically.

Just click on the "Transpose tool" and the window should open automatically. If it doesn't, try double-clicking on the staff. When the window opens there will be a scroll bar: up for more sharps, down for more flats. You will also be given the option to toggle between major and minor.

To use the "Chord Tool" you must first place a note on the staff. Then select the "Chord Tool" and click above the note on the staff. A place to type text should appear. Typing "A" or "Amaj" will give you an A major chord and the guitar fingering for that chord. Note: IT WILL NOT PUT THE NOTES ON THE STAFF FOR YOU. But it will play the chord during playback. Typing "a" or "Am" or "Amin" will give you an A minor chord.

Just experiment. When I first got the program, I played around with every tool and never read the manual. It is a very easy program to learn.

Hopefully this has been helpful.

Finale Notepad is not real Composing software! Just like GarageBand. Ugh. Please shoot me now. I hate all these wanabees that use Notepad and think that they can enter a note that they're composers. Same with GarageBand. The dumbest idea ever making music even more adept to the hoi polloi. Just dumb. What ever happened to cracking open a textbook and learning your harmony and orchestration the old fashioned way?

[Rant over :(]

This is becoming more and more annoying. I saw another post of yours which complained about the mods of the site and about the site itself for not replying to your question in 40 minutes.

First of all, welcome to the internet and the world of FORUMS, not phone help lines. Second of all, for God's sake, be considerate - the time of your post was 5.30 AM where I live, and that means that three time zones before me and three time zones ahead of my time zone, people were most likely asleep. That means that people between the Azores and India were most likely asleep, or if not asleep, probably not on YC.

Thirdly, if you want to get any help out of any of us, don't lie and provide information as accurate as possible - i.e. exactly which software you're using and what version, as well as what you want to do. You haven't read the manual, and you're not using finale - you're using Finale Notepad.

Also, if you can't read the manual for some reason (because you're blind, because you don't know how to read), you can go to the finale website (the same website you downloaded Finale Notepad from) and ask them any question you want, or even call their help and support centre. If you still haven't found an answer to your problem, then don't bother asking us because we probably don't know the damn answer or what you're asking is impossible.

Lastly, I'd like to say how much I dislike people who want to be taken by the hand when crossing the road or fed babyfood with a spoon. Notating involves *you* writing out *notes*. That's what composing is about. If you're not willing to spend the least amount of effort to actually write down your own music, then don't expect us to spend our time helping you out. And indeed, I have spent some of my time writing this reply, only in the off-chance that it will make you think some more than you usually seem to do and respect a forum which has existed for many years before you decided to join in, and also respect members who've spent a bit more time and effort in the site other than 16 posts, half of which are double/triple/quadruple posts and the other half being half-comments on other threads.

Mulitiquoting me, tssk, tssk.Nobody wins quote wars

True, but also true is that no one likes

an impatient brat

who can't

Chill out

and who doesn't

understand the anger

of two prestigious members of the forum when they replied to his question within an hour.

Finale Notepad is not real Composing software! Just like GarageBand. Ugh. Please shoot me now. I hate all these wanabees that use Notepad and think that they can enter a note that they're composers. Same with GarageBand. The dumbest idea ever making music even more adept to the hoi polloi. Just dumb. What ever happened to cracking open a textbook and learning your harmony and orchestration the old fashioned way?

[Rant over :(]

I have learned the old fashioned way, I am an old, poor, computer illiterate man .Even if I wasn't, that wouldn't make you any less of an elitist prick.

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This is becoming more and more annoying. I saw another post of yours which complained about the mods of the site and about the site itself for not replying to your question in 40 minutes.

First of all, welcome to the internet and the world of FORUMS, not phone help lines. Second of all, for God's sake, be considerate - the time of your post was 5.30 AM where I live, and that means that three time zones before me and three time zones ahead of my time zone, people were most likely asleep. That means that people between the Azores and India were most likely asleep, or if not asleep, probably not on YC.

I am a member of other forums, and this forum is by FAR AND AWAY the worst in this respect of any forum I have ever visited.Are there hardly any members or ..?

Thirdly, if you want to get any help out of any of us, don't lie and provide information as accurate as possible - i.e. exactly which software you're using and what version, as well as what you want to do. You haven't read the manual, and you're not using finale - you're using Finale Notepad.

1)I was not aware there were different types of Finale, why in God's name would I lie about that?

2)I have read the manual, It was very short and very unhelpful.

Also, if you can't read the manual for some reason (because you're blind, because you don't know how to read), you can go to the finale website (the same website you downloaded Finale Notepad from) and ask them any question you want, or even call their help and support centre. If you still haven't found an answer to your problem, then don't bother asking us because we probably don't know the damn answer or what you're asking is impossible.

I don't know, I mean this forum section is entitled ''Finale and Sibelius Help Desk'', So I didn't think my simple request for a bit of help would be met with such belligerence.

Lastly, I'd like to say how much I dislike people who want to be taken by the hand when crossing the road or fed babyfood with a spoon. Notating involves *you* writing out *notes*. That's what composing is about. If you're not willing to spend the least amount of effort to actually write down your own music, then don't expect us to spend our time helping you out.

1)I'm transcribing my composition, my writing is illegible to others.

2)What if I was composing on a computer, what difference does that make other than it being, (a)Quicker, (b)Less messy to make alterations, ©Being easier to read.

3)Again, this Section is entitled, ''Finale and Sibelius Help Desk''.

And indeed, I have spent some of my time writing this reply, only in the off-chance that it will make you think some more than you usually seem to do and respect a forum which has existed for many years before you decided to join in, and also respect members who've spent a bit more time and effort in the site other than 16 posts, half of which are double/triple/quadruple posts and the other half being half-comments on other threads.

Why does it matter how long this site has existed, I have joined now.If you don't want new members you can close shop and bar all new members.

True, but also true is that no one likes an impatient brat.

Excuse me?

It's also true that no one likes a smartarse.Much less a prissy, scallopy little smartarse like yourself.

of two prestigious members of the forum when they replied to his question within an hour.

What makes them prestigious exactly?Have they been signed onto this internet forum for longer?hmmm?Is that it?

The first guy has edited his page long response into one line.I'm not surprised.That type of behaviour would lead to a banning on most forums.

You are pathetic my friend.

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I used Finale NotePad for a long time; believe me these things are possible and they are in the manual. The Chord tool looks like "Cm7" and the Transpose tool should look like a key signature with a couple of flats. Although it is not possible to transpose sections of a piece with NotePad you can transpose the entire piece to any key and this will change the chords automatically.

Just click on the "Transpose tool" and the window should open automatically. If it doesn't, try double-clicking on the staff. When the window opens there will be a scroll bar: up for more sharps, down for more flats. You will also be given the option to toggle between major and minor.

To use the "Chord Tool" you must first place a note on the staff. Then select the "Chord Tool" and click above the note on the staff. A place to type text should appear. Typing "A" or "Amaj" will give you an A major chord and the guitar fingering for that chord. Note: IT WILL NOT PUT THE NOTES ON THE STAFF FOR YOU. But it will play the chord during playback. Typing "a" or "Am" or "Amin" will give you an A minor chord.

Just experiment. When I first got the program, I played around with every tool and never read the manual. It is a very easy program to learn.

Hopefully this has been helpful.

Thanks very much, that was very helpful :)

I am a member of other forums, and this forum is by FAR AND AWAY the worst in this respect of any forum I have ever visited.Are there hardly any members or ..?

I doubt ANY forum you frequent would give you responses in the times you seem to expect... C'mon...waiting 5 minutes before complaining. Gimme a break.

Honestly...which forums are FAR AND AWAY better than this one? I'd like to test them.

[blah blah blah]Why does it matter how long this site has existed, I have joined now.If you don't want new members you can close shop and bar all new members. [blah blah blah] no one likes a smartarse.Much less a prissy, scallopy little smartarse like yourself. [blah blah blah]

You are pathetic my friend.

Sha-wad,

You're not off to a good start. All flint and I did was try and help (and to whom are you referring who "edited his page-long post"... I responded 3 minutes after Flint, and THAT is the exact reply I saw then).

Either way, give us a little less complaining and a lot more info next time, K?!

;)

[Also, Stop with the double/triple/quadruple posts. I'm getting tired of merging them...]

I doubt ANY forum you frequent would give you responses in the times you seem to expect... C'mon...waiting 5 minutes before complaining. Gimme a break.

Honestly...which forums are FAR AND AWAY better than this one? I'd like to test them.

Sha-wad,

You're not off to a good start. All flint and I did was try and help (and to whom are you referring who "edited his page-long post"... I responded 3 minutes after Flint, and THAT is the exact reply I saw then).

Either way, give us a little less complaining and a lot more info next time, K?!

;)

[Also, Stop with the double/triple/quadruple posts. I'm getting tired of merging them...]

ok, just to be clear I'm talking about response times, I can give you links to other forums if you want.

Kindly don't edit my posts in future, otherwise what's the point in my posting them?On any other forum I've been on you reply to different posts with different posts, not all jumbled into one.That most certainly WAS NOT Flint's original post btw.

Finale Notepad is not real Composing software! Just like GarageBand. Ugh. Please shoot me now. I hate all these wanabees that use Notepad and think that they can enter a note that they're composers. Same with GarageBand. The dumbest idea ever making music even more adept to the hoi polloi. Just dumb. What ever happened to cracking open a textbook and learning your harmony and orchestration the old fashioned way?

[Rant over :(]

:huh:

There's nothing wrong with using notepad. I use notepad, mainly because I currently don't have $350 on me right now to buy the real version, but I've been fine without it. All of my current pieces were written with Finale Notepad.

Although I don't have garageband right now, I used it a lot a school, and you can compose your own pieces with it. There's a way to enter in your own notes as sheet music. It might be harder than Finale, but it works once you get used to it.

So there! You can be a composer using Notepad or Garageband!

:whistling:

Finale Notepad is not real Composing software! Just like GarageBand. Ugh. Please shoot me now. I hate all these wanabees that use Notepad and think that they can enter a note that they're composers. Same with GarageBand. The dumbest idea ever making music even more adept to the hoi polloi. Just dumb. What ever happened to cracking open a textbook and learning your harmony and orchestration the old fashioned way?

[Rant over :(]

So what is real composing software?

I'm pretty sure you can employ harmony and orchestration in finale.

Yeah. It annoys me when people think that using a more expensive software makes you more "professional". Using Pro Tools doesn't make you a better composer than using Garageband and using Photoshop doesn't make you a better artist than using MS Paint.

If the software can do what you need it to do, then why buy a more expensive one that does lots of stuff you don't need?

And honestly, Finale is no more a composition software than Notepad. They're tools for music notation. One can do stuff the other can't. So what?

And what the hell does the decision between a cheaper and a more expensive program have to do with "learning stuff the old way"?

By the way, sometimes those cheaper programs do some stuff a lot better than their expensive counterparts. I'd rather import a midi file with Garageband than Logic Pro, and they're both built from the same core.

Hey..back in the day there was no finale, sibelius, noteworthy or anything else..... there was the piano, a composer's best friend.

The point of a tool is for you to use it, not for it to use you. It doesn't matter how expensive it is if it works.

If, however, you adapt your music to fit the tool, you are causing yourself creative harm.

The point of a tool is for you to use it, not for it to use you. It doesn't matter how expensive it is if it works.

If, however, you adapt your music to fit the tool, you are causing yourself creative harm.

That last statement is exactly what I'm talking about. I see all these young composers using Notepad that want to make pieces with more than eight instruments, but they can't. The computer is great, but you cannot limit yourself on it. Finale, having the fewest limitations than it's whole family is therefore ideal.

On one hand I can understand this reasoning.

But it's wrong to think you need to be "able to do everything" in order to be creative. Bach didn't have computers to synthesize any sound he wanted, he was restricted to a relatively small number of available instruments. That fact didn't make his music any less creative however. And composers have often made musical decisions not only based on artistic considerations but also restraints of time, money and the desires of their employers. Bach composed so much sacred music because that's what he was asked to do. Haydn composed what the nobility wanted him to compose. Schumann wrote many short pieces because they sold better than long symphonies.

I'm not saying these are things you should strive for. You can just as well walk the Ives route, get a well-paying job and compose in your free time for example. I'm just saying that a truly creative composer can be creative even within strict limitations.

If you think you need to write for more than eight instruments and can afford the full Finale, go on, buy it. If you can't or don't want to afford it, then work with eight instruments and make something great out of it.

Personally, I've often experienced limitations as quite inspiring for creativity, much more so than "unlimited freedom". The matter is mainly how you deal with the limitations you have.

I recently attended a Logic Pro class and the teacher from time to time said something like "Now that you know this cool feature, you can be really creative". It struck me as really weird every time.

Also: If you say "the fewer limitations the better", Finale is clearly not the ideal program. You are much less limited in notating music in the computer if you're using, say, Photoshop. The reason why most composers don't use Photoshop is because you'd be a lot slower and it would require a lot more effort. So you'd only use Photoshop as a notation tool if you're writing something so special that it would be even harder (or impossible) to do with Finale.

Likewise, why should you use Finale if you could use a simple, little notation software that you can get for free, which you can use much quicker for what you need it to do, without having to search through 100 menus and tools? It would only be less efficient.