Winds off The Atlantic

Hey dark!

Thanks for the comment. I'm fixing my piece up this week. :) Adding slurs, legato, a new section, blah blah blah....

Alright, unlike most people in this thread, I don't think we should judge Heckel too harshly as it may prove discouraging to someone his age. A bit of praise is actually good as it will encourage him to write more and improve. I know he'll improve because I've seen what he can do and I doubt he'll stop here.

Heckle (actually it should be Heckel not Heckle, no?), your work is better than a lot of the stuff posted here by people almost twice your age. Your composition material is good and you don't make any severe orchestration mistakes. If you don't want to improve this piece, at least fix up the score score a bit. In the woodwinds, write a1 or a2 where needed because it's not clear where they play solo or unison. Also write how many woodwinds of each type you need. I've counted 4 flutes, 2 oboes, 1 English horn and 4 clarinets. Pretty big woodwind section (except no bassoons) but no brass? I thought the honky-tonk was an interesting addition though.

This was very good for your age. I think you're quite talented. When I was your age I could only write for piano, badly, but my friends seemed to like it. :P

Anyway good luck and happy composing. :thumbsup:

Hecklephone, while some of the criticism may be harsh, you'll have to learn to live with it if you stay in composition.

The work it self was generally alright. I felt some parts in the composition were repeated far to much and generally became boring. However, there were some really great ideas in the composition that I was impressed with. I enjoyed your use of the glock and honkeytonk piano. I thought adding the honkeytonk piano was rather interesting. Other composers like John Adams have added synthesisors to some of their symphonic works, so don't feel to bad about it.

Hey dark!

Thanks for the comment. I'm fixing my piece up this week. :) Adding slurs, legato, a new section, blah blah blah....

for a 10 years old boy , it is over well done

i composed fugue when i was 10 only

you are talent BUT dont think you are a composer , becasue NO one is a composer and everyone is a compsoer too , so compose music is a natural thing what human Want and Desire to do it For express the feel or further meaning to the audience and the composer also need to express some extra things to the performer , you have to understand this , if not . you will go to the dark side Which mean blind and deaf and isolate with the audience , make music and lack of community with other composers . this is what i dont want you to do that . I had tried b4 , it will made you becasue a freak more that a compsoer , becasue composer just a human who use sound to express something internally

Kid you will have a great future , dont give up . dont abandon on yourself and believe in god

and A COMPOSER IS god messager , composers use music to tell us what god what us to do

remeber that^^

i am very pleased that . there has such good and talent kid in this website

dark-princess

Thanks for the comments/criticisms! Keep 'em coming! I'm currently fixing up the piece, so, maybe later today or tomorrow, I will post the "revised" version up!

Hmm... I can't open the .sib file. :(

Thanks for the comments/criticisms! Keep 'em coming! I'm currently fixing up the piece, so, maybe later today or tomorrow, I will post the "revised" version up!

Also, don't change things just because people tell you to.

You will find that usually others' suggestions are more right than wrong.

But if you haphazardly change things to please others, you will not be learning, except about what those particular people like.

Instead, take criticism and take comments, and figure out whether they speak to you and if you really believe them. If you do, try to find your own solution first. If you don't, then don't change it.

The point of writing music right now for you is not so you can create a masterpiece. The point now is to use every opportunity to grow as a composer.

Thank you for the help Jamie. I do not usually fix stuff when people tell me to, but this time, I am. :)

I really like the sound you've got going here. :) DEFINITELY much more advanced than anything I wrote when I was your age, lol.

Ok. Well, the first thing is, I think, the first two and a half minutes or so are quite repetitive. I like the theme, don't get me wrong. But it goes on for too long and I think the theme that comes in at about 2:20 (midi) should be introduced sooner.

Now in this same theme, I'm hearing a lot of measures repeat two or three times. See if you can just slightly change one thing every time, it will make it sound much less repetitive and will make a huge difference! :)

Try to add some more variety into the piece. Maybe modulate in certain areas, or, just changing up the chord progressions at places, because right now, it seems to stay on one chord, which can work, but you want to be careful that it doesn't sound like it's just blatantly droning on, if you know what I mean. Also, if you want to try it, maybe change up the mood somewhere in the piece. I like the really peaceful and sort of mysterious sound you've got going here, but it needs a little something. It's just a tad bit repetetive. Maybe, I dunno, make a sea storm come by or something. Change the mood up some. With some added variety, this piece can turn from a nice piece, to an amazing piece!

Overall, I like it. Keep it up, it's sounding good! :)

First off, I really like the theme. As like before, I got the image of "winds off the atlantic" right away. :) Which is always a really good thing. :)

I actually quite enjoyed the honky tonk piano in there, It added an ethereal sense to the song, which only bolstered the communication of the theme.

The only thing I would say is that it was a bit drawn out, and once again, there was no climax points. Music is communicating emotions or visions in somebody's head, and every emotion or scene has a climax point, so of course music should have that climax point too don't you think?

Other than that, I really liked the instrumentation, you seem to have a good ear for that, in my opinion of course...I also really like the fact that you were throwing the melody around in different instruments, to keep it fresh, and of course, sometimes you would just put a little piano here and there, which I loved.

Great job! :)

Hey, thanks, Lacy! Keep the comments coming!

Hmmm..... or not?

Lolz, you are already shamelessly plugging your work. It's good bud, we've established that. Go edit and give us something revised and I will review it again. ;)

Nah. I don't really need this thread to survive. I want reviews on my Ice Symphony! :D

lol this piece is cute! keep it up :D

Wise words. Heckle, I was in your position for most of my life, and now, as I go to college am just transitioning out of it. Because I had been winning awards and stuff since I was 7, and, as Flint predicted with you, had teachers and professors and junk fawn over it, I thought I was hot sh*t. You can look back at any of my posts here when I was younger...they're embarrassing. A few people that I hated at the time told me what Flint just told you...and you know what? It made me a much better composer. The second you realize not everybody will like your music, or respect it, or even want to look at it (this last one will happen more and more), you'll realize that it doesn't matter, and can't be this way. Reality checks are great, and you'll need them continually. The reality is nobody is anything special to everyone. I don't expect you to react to this maturely, because, well...you're not mature. You're 10! But if you can just read our words with a grain of salt, you'll do much better. Don't get pissy and resist it all like I did. I was an idiot. The "prima donna" mindset is the worst mindset for learning, which we composers realllyyyyy need to know how to do well. So, if you can help it, avoid becoming this way, it'll save you a lot of trouble :).

this is great advice for anyone in a creative field.

sometimes ego and desire can get in the way of creation

no one is special, everyone is a loser. having said that, everyone who uses thought is special, and everyone who tries is a winner.

lol this piece is cute! keep it up :D

this is great advice for anyone in a creative field.

sometimes ego and desire can get in the way of creation

no one is special, everyone is a loser. having said that, everyone who uses thought is special, and everyone who tries is a winner.

Oh, thanks for bringing THIS back :dry: :P

I am liking the the whole melodies . The only thing I don't like are so much fifths...Don't know why but I am not really enjoying them

I am liking the the whole melodies . The only thing I don't like are so much fifths...Don't know why but I am not really enjoying them

Oh, it's okay :) I hope nobody else comments on this! :thumbsup::P

Hey Heckel!

I thought this piece was alright.. but I've definitely seen better from you.

;)

*notice, this post was sarcasm and was meant to annoy you*

As you see Bananaphone not just me said that you cant orchestrate well. :)

It wouldnt be a problem if you didnt say that you have won awards with your "fantastic-orchestration-skill".

I also tried to help you to improve: I said that I have a torrent containing nearly 40 books on orchestration, countertpoint, music-theory, voice leading..and so on...But you refused it. What shall I do now?

(Anyway if anyone needs this torrent I can send it..very useful)

P.S:

"Not a very nice thing at all. Very harsh, almost made me cry, felt like you were whapping me in the face and being very picky about this and that. I truly want to go into my room and cry. This is the meanest thing anyone has ever said to me in my whole life. WHOLE LIFE"

Not easy to face with the truth...

"People say I'm better than some adults"

Yes you're better than some adults that are deaf and are never learnt music HAHA....no just kidding sorry :toothygrin:

The point is I think youre are "a bit" deluded about your orchestration skills and I dont say it to offend or harm you....I want to help you but if you refuse it....well its your life.

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--> (Bananaphone song..when I see your name always think of that...I cant help XDXDXD)

Hey Heckel!

I thought this piece was alright.. but I've definitely seen better from you.

;)

*notice, this post was sarcasm and was meant to annoy you*

LOLOLOLOL

I guess you can keep commenting...if you would like :P

HAHAHA OMG...The funny thing is that I've just now listened to the music after I posted this harsh comment...

And I have to say...I LIKE IT!!! It's very realaxing..I liked it a lot..it was very surprising I thought that it will be something atonal sh*t..but this is good my friend...creates a very good ambient...I absolutely like it. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Sry for the previous comment...

(I still dont like your atonal pieces....but that was good..really)

PS: I now listening it 2nd time...lol

Hey hey Heckaphile! Nice work pal! You are really on your way aren't you? Again, I'm impressed. I'll try to hand out some constructive advise for you. But, I'm going to say it in a picturesque way.

What do you like about art? What is your favorite painting or photograph? Or for that matter your favorite dish? Why do you like it? What is it that captures you? A subject? A center? Something that holds your interest? Same for music. The only thing that caught my interest was the rhythmic figure played by the piano. I'm not saying everything else was bad, no no no no no. But that figure stood out against the wall of sound. That wall of sound changed timbre here and there but overall it is a wall of sound. It's effective for what it does but it's not good at grabbing your listener if that is your focal point.

One more goofy point I'll try to make. Your profile states that you like cooking. Ever made a dish with too much or too little of something? I've made stews that were too thin or too spicy. Balance must be weighed and carefully considered before we start tossing in onion after onion.

Well, I hope this helped. I'd rather paint an image for you than tell you what measure is gold and what is not. I think you already know. Just flesh it out and remember that the world around you will tell you everything you need to know.

Thanks Norby! I'm COMPLETELY SHOCKED that you liked this :P

Thanks Ticktock for the friendly advice and complements. Oh, and in the future I'd prefer to be called just Heckel, not Heckaphile :whistling:

Good material and use of the orchestra, but begs for more development IMHO.