Synthatic samples?

I while ago I stumbled upon a thread which link to a website who are working on synthatic samples (as opposed to layered samples). I clicked the link and website and found it very promising. I was trying to look it up again, but I simply can't find it anymore in the search and on google. Does anyone know what i'm talking about and knows the link to the website of the company working on it. I know the website I went to had the word synth in it's name.

Anyone?

I think you don't know what you're talking about. What's a synthetic sample? A sample taken from a synth? If yes, why can't they be layered? Get your terminology right.

I think you don't know what you're talking about. What's a synthetic sample? A sample taken from a synth? If yes, why can't they be layered? Get your terminology right.

Yes, the thing is though I don't know the exact terminology. I think it was synthatic sampling, but it could as well be synthasis or something along that line.

But, no, I don't mean samples from a synth. It's a technology of making virtual instruments with a different technique as layered sampling.

Firstly, it's synthesis. And what's layered sampling got to do with this? That's multiple samples layered together...

I think you're talking about synthesis and sampling.

Firstly, it's synthesis. And what's layered sampling got to do with this? That's multiple samples layered together...

I think you're talking about synthesis and sampling.

Oke, the mature technique for making virtual instruments is a sample library. If i got it right the technigue is something along the line of: notes are recorded in different velocities and then layered to get one note.

I my initial post I was trying to ask about a new technique of making virtual instruments. I thoughed the technique was called someting like synthetic sampling.

If I understand you correctly, what you're searching for is pure synthesis and creation of instrumental patches through things like physical modelling rather than any sample-based approach.

If that is indeed the case though, then finding which precise product and company you came across will not be an easy task without you giving some more specific details about what instruments they were creating, etc. The fact is that, while not as popular as the sampling method, there are still many companies out there that are experimenting with synthesis and modelling to re-create acoustic instrumental sounds for use.

EDIT: Incidentally, sampling is NOT about recording numerous velocity layers and putting them all together to make ONE note; rather, you sample all the various velocity levels and then, depending on the key velocity (how hard the keyboard key is hit or the equivalent MIDI value), the program will trigger one of the layers that best corresponds to that loudness. Each value at each velocity level is then often sampled several times to provide alternate takes of the same note. This helps when you have repeated notes because it triggers slightly different, but velocity-identical samples which helps you avoid the "machinegun effect" so common to early sample library mock-ups.

Anyway, just thought I'd clear that up.

The only realistic synthesis of orchestral instruments is Wallander Brass and Woodwinds in my opinion.

Just to give a bit more insight into terminology Gijs, "synthetic" is not the correct term. In regards to audio synthesis, the term you would want to use to reduce confusion would be "synthesized."

eg. "I found a company that sells synthesized strings."

Synthetic has the connotation that the thing one is talking about is unnatural, or man made. While this sort of makes sense in this context, "synthesized" makes much more sense.

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Thanks for clearig that up Marius, Max and Corax. Maybe it helps if I restate that I came across this 'synthesized virtual instruments' via a thread on YC. Maybe anyone knows which thread I mean? I tried the search function, but it didn't came up.

Maybe you mean sample modelling? This company develops instrument based on such a mixture between sampling and synthesis and Nikolas has posted once or twice about it and another time posted a piece of himself featuring a trumpet based on this technology.

Great Gardener,

This wasn't the website I was talking about, but it seems to do the same thing.

The only realistic synthesis of orchestral instruments is Wallander Brass and Woodwinds in my opinion.

Really? I listened to several of the demos and wasn't super impressed with them. I've heard other sample packages do just as well, if not better than Wallander. (Keep in mind GPO was not one of those packages :w00t:)

Side note: Oh my God do the sax samples SUCK! Of course I have yet to find a very good saxophone sampler package but that's probably because I am a saxophone player and have very discreet ears for that instrument. Still, though, this sounds very much like MIDI to me. Not worth it.