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A strange issue I have when sharing music to others

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My goal is to compose music that is catchy and conveys profound and powerful emotion.  It would really be no different than how there are, for example, very memorable, catchy songs and tunes in video games and anime.  I plan on composing music like this.  But a strange issue I am having here is that, when I produce a certain tune that, from my perspective, is catchy and conveys profound and powerful emotion, it is nothing of the sort when I go and share it to others.  Other people report that, yes, it is an actual tune since it has a rhythm and whatnot to make it actual music, but that the tune itself is nothing catchy, does not convey any profound and powerful emotion, and that it's a tune that consists of randomly plucked out notes like a cat walking on the keyboard.  From my perspective, I see nothing of the sort at all.  But, from other people's perspective, they see it as being so.

As a matter of fact, the notes of my tunes do have a pattern to them and aren't just randomly placed notes.  I do not understand why others perceive my tunes the way they do and I wish to figure out what is going on here and how to address this issue.  I do not want to produce and share music that I simply perceive as catchy and conveying profound and powerful emotion; I wish to produce music that actually conveys the catchy, profound, and powerful emotion I want.  Take note that I am a complete beginner to composing and, at this point, I am only putting down the exact notes of these tunes I hear in my mind along with a beat and chords.  If you or anyone else would like to listen to one of these tunes I have made, then I would be glad to share one of the soundcloud links to my tunes.  Actually, I will go ahead and share my playlist now for others to listen to and figure out what the problem is:

https://soundcloud.com/user-432115982/sets/my-best-themes

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I suspect the problem is that there isn't much going on musically.  You seem to be mainly interested in choosing interesting sounding instrumental effects.  Which is definitely an art in itself!  But the actual notes those instruments are playing need more development.  Try rewriting some of your tracks using nothing but a piano sound and you may find that they feel a little bland to you.  

It may help you to work backwards.  Start with a simple, very plain sound.  Piano, for instance.  Write something that you find very exciting.  And only then rewrite it with interesting electronic instruments, so that you can be sure there is interest to the music notes themselves, not just to the mix of sounds.  

Since you want to work with video game music, you might find this youtube channel useful:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeZLO2VgbZHeDcongKzzfOw

It explains the music theory behind various famous video game soundtracks.  Learning more about how the games soundtracks you like are put together may help you with your own music.  I hope that helps!  Good luck!

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What each person considers "catchy" is different. My advice is to share some of your stuff on this site and see what we composers say.

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7 minutes ago, pateceramics said:

I suspect the problem is that there isn't much going on musically.  You seem to be mainly interested in choosing interesting sounding instrumental effects.  Which is definitely an art in itself!  But the actual notes those instruments are playing need more development.  Try rewriting some of your tracks using nothing but a piano sound and you may find that they feel a little bland to you.  

It may help you to work backwards.  Start with a simple, very plain sound.  Piano, for instance.  Write something that you find very exciting.  And only then rewrite it with interesting electronic instruments, so that you can be sure there is interest to the music notes themselves, not just to the mix of sounds.  

Since you want to work with video game music, you might find this youtube channel useful:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeZLO2VgbZHeDcongKzzfOw

It explains the music theory behind various famous video game soundtracks.  Learning more about how the games soundtracks you like are put together may help you with your own music.  I hope that helps!  Good luck!

 

I did start off with tunes on the piano that I found to convey the catchy, profound, and powerful emotions I describe.  So, from my perspective, these tunes of mine do convey what I describe them to be even while played on a basic instrument such as a piano.  I do not understand this because, again, other people are telling me that my tunes convey nothing of the sort.  From my perspective, the notes of these tunes don't need any more development.  If they do, then I am not exactly sure what you mean by that.  Nonetheless, I will learn what I need to learn to create good music.  If I am fully trained and educated in the future and, yet, I still find myself in the same predicament, then something is going on here that I cannot explain.

7 minutes ago, ilv said:

What each person considers "catchy" is different. My advice is to share some of your stuff on this site and see what we composers say.

 

I did share my music in my opening post.  It is the link to the playlist of my tunes at the bottom of that opening post. 

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Many years ago, I had a manager/mentor.  I was writing pop songs at the time.  He would instruct me to write a song, then throw away the WEAKEST 90%..  And to do that THREE times.  I followed that advice for a while, and still follow variations of it.  Thing is,  we all 'interpret' what we hear.. What we hear is colored by our own emotional state.  So to one, a section or piece of music might be borderline boring, yet another person will find it very interesting.  You have to keep writing, and getting folks to listen, and get their response.  A great teacher, is to sit with them as they listen to the music.. What do you feel?,  do you semi-cringe at a part coming up, cause now you realize, it could be better.. are you tempted to talk over a section, too 'hide an 'audio sin'?  Do you sit an bob your head, sending them a signal, that the music is good?..  

Yes, you can take boring notes, and dress them up  in a great production and pull it off.  If you are working with a DAW; it's not hard to mute/cut out sections - and replace them with something better..

 Another approach is to do some covers of tunes that accomplish what you are working towards, you will get insight into how to create that effect.  A few years back, I was doing a cover of Phil Collins, "In The Air Tonite"..  I've always loved the song, and felt it to be extremely powerful..  I did it as an instrumental (since I don't sing).  However when I did this, the song was fairly lacking.. Cause frankly his lead vocal melody is rather plain.  But the magic of his song, is the music, the quality of his voice, (adequate - but not great).  He created this hypnotic effect, that worked partly because of the quality of his voice, and the repetitious melody.  I resolved it, by improvising on the melody somewhat.  It gave it some life and interest, but did not go off into another directions..  

An interesting take on this;  Phil Collin's version of "In the Air Tonite"   

and then listen to what 'Naturally 7 did to it.. They added a substantial amount of new material to it.  (which I usually don't like in covers).  But they added a depth, Now these are seven very talented singers, and of course a 50 piece orchestra and audience of 30,000 people certainly gives a new quality to it. 

Naturally 7 - 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I hate to say it but welcome to the club.

Music hits us all differently. Every artist has felt at some point,

his art is greater than what people perceive it as.

This is part of your journey. It's as normal as getting 

the chicken pox as a kid. 

 

I would be worried more if you DIDNT ever feel that way.

It means you aren't really pushing yourself out there enough.  😊

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I myself have felt this way, particularly with orchestral works. Of course, orchestral works also get me into a massive Composer's Block but I plan on fixing that by starting with a piano score of my symphony(whenever I get past the planning stage of the symphony that is) and then going from the piano score to the symphony orchestra instead of just trying to directly write a piece for an orchestra like I did in the past. So my experience as a pianist might actually prove to be beneficial in writing my first symphony instead of a hinderance. It will certainly help when I write my first piano concerto.

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