Does intelligence correlate with your musical ability?

Hi it's me again, that guy who is very paranoid. I got an official IQ test done today, and I got a rude shock... Turns out it was 101, which is fairly low. Not that expected anything more... But, is it likely that i will never make as good music as someone with a higher IQ? Since composing dose require some planning if you want it to be a really good piece. Being the emotional paranoid person i am, thinking about this discourages from composing. It might seem silly to some people, but it's a fairly big worry to me, what do you think?:D

it's does! and no i don't think you have anything to worry about, look at i think creationartist's sig.

Maek

Hi it's me again, that guy who is very paranoid. I got an official IQ test done today, and I got a rude shock... Turns out it was 101, which is fairly low. Not that expected anything more... But, is it likely that i will never make as good music as someone with a higher IQ? Since composing dose require some planning if you want it to be a really good piece. Being the emotional paranoid person i am, thinking about this discourages from composing. It might seem silly to some people, but it's a fairly big worry to me, what do you think?:D

Do you know Giacomo Puccini, the opera composer? His IQ was around 94, yet he wrote the most popular operas in the repertoire.

Do you know Giacomo Puccini, the opera composer? His IQ was around 94, yet he wrote the most popular operas in the repertoire.

He probably started composing when he was very young. And to mark, you say it dose, yet you told me to check out creationist's sig... Which mozart says it dosen't matter. I'm so confused... It hurts being stupid.

Intelligence is devided in sectors.

One can be a complete moron (not that you are), and be a wonderful artist.

One can be autistic, so unable to work inside the society, yet have an amazing mathematical mind.

One can be "slow" in the ways of an IQ test, but still be a wonderful composer

One could be scrap in maths, but a brilliant physicist (Einstein).

Nothing to worry about, and these IQ test are kinda rubbish most of the times. So what that youhave 101 IQ? I have no idea what I have.

Hi it's me again, that guy who is very paranoid. I got an official IQ test done today, and I got a rude shock... Turns out it was 101, which is fairly low. Not that expected anything more... But, is it likely that i will never make as good music as someone with a higher IQ? Since composing dose require some planning if you want it to be a really good piece. Being the emotional paranoid person i am, thinking about this discourages from composing. It might seem silly to some people, but it's a fairly big worry to me, what do you think?:(

No worries mate. Just read here. You don't need intelligence to compose. You just need, umm. This stuff:

http://www.youngcomposers.com/forum/why-gays-lesbians-awesome-5708.html#post75712

On a serious note. If you beleive(that's important!) that you can compose good music, or music that you like to compose... If you work at it... If you study and dedicate the neccessary time to it - of course you can do it!

Or haven't you heard that genius is 99% perspiration and 1% inspiration? It's true!

IQ is not a particularly comprehensive test of intelligence, and I personally believe that the test as a whole is silly. Genius ought to be a title of accomplishment rather than 'ability'.

Define intelligence.

I think things that do help with composing are being a logical person, therfore probably being good at maths and science abd being incredibly patient, neither of these need exceptional intelligence.

Maek

Define intelligence.

Book smart, fast learning.

Define intelligence.

Book smart, fast learning.

Book smart is only one facet of intelligence. Fast learning is an asset, but in no way guarantees intelligence. One very popular theory in educational circles is that of Multiple Intelligences, which posits that there are many different ways to learn, and we are all wired differently when it comes to learning. Also consider the concept of "smart" as not being something you are, but rather something you work toward.

Bottom line: We all learn in different ways and at different speeds, and "smart" is a moving target - a verb, not an adjective. Everyone is a student, and true learners are never smart, they are simply getting smarter. If you embrace this philosophical approach to learning, there is almost no limit to what you can accomplish.

What exactly is intelligence correlate, and how exactly are we supposed to dose it with our musical ability?

Is that some weird way of asking if drugs make you more creative?

now that is genuinely amusing, i won't sink so low as to use the acronym for laughing out loud though.

Maek

I'm so confused... It hurts being stupid.

Crikey - you might be crazy coming out with a remark like that. I mean, people can TRAIN to get higher IQ scores, not to mention many factors that contribute to how well you do on a partifular day.

We had a thread on IQ a while back:

http://www.youngcomposers.com/forum/iqs-2556.html

May be of interest to the original poster.

There are many reasons to not do so well on an IQ test:

• You had a bad day.
  
• You are not a good test taker.
  
• You don't do well under pressure.
  
• You had no motivation to take it and don't see the merit of taking an IQ test.
  
• Personal reasons affect your cognitive thinking.
  
• You couldn't stop thinking about Sally.
  
• You made stupid mistakes. Making stupid mistakes are only human.
  
• You became distracted during the test
  
• You became paranoid about doing well, thus you did poorly.

I myself am a poor test taker. If I am having a bad day, or my cognitive thinking is impaired because of a personal event, I could very well get a 60 and fail the IQ test, but in a month when things are better, I could take it again and score a 120 or whatever. But I know deep down I am not stupid! If you are not a good test taker, as in my case, an IQ test means nothing. Actually, it means nothing even if you are a good test taker. Scoring high on an IQ test just means you can solve useless logic problems made by test takers who get paid to make pointless problems like this. Solving problems constructed by other people using your logic may be impressive, but if any of the factors that I listed above are affecting you during the test, then the test becomes irrelevant. Perhaps you were thinking about your hot date a few nights ago when taking the test :) Any sane person would be distracted and score a 50 or lower if that was the case!

The only way to get better at composing is by practicing. Just as, the only way to get better at IQ tests are by practicing those types of problems. If you have an urge to compose and you have the drive to practice, that is all you need and an IQ test has nothing to do with your success as a composer. With that said, do you really think Einstein could compose music?

He probably started composing when he was very young. And to mark, you say it dose, yet you told me to check out creationist's sig... Which mozart says it dosen't matter. I'm so confused... It hurts being stupid.

No, he was raised in a musical environment but started to compose late. He wrote his first hit opera Manon Lescaut when he was already 35.

And to mark, you say it dose, yet you told me to check out creationist's sig....

I was pointing out creatinartist's sig as it was the point i was trying to make when i said It's does, i meant that's how you spell does, as opposed to dose, i wasn't saying that you do need to be intelligent to be a composer, i was correcting a spelling mistake.

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Maek

I remember reading an article in newsweek a number of years ago - about how Abraham Lincoln and W.A Mozart had been assessed as having the same IQ (135) by some learned Mucky Muck PH.d at some prestigious university back east. Both were home educated individuals ... Lincoln took to study of the Law in much the same way Mozart did music... only in Lincolns case, he started later in life.

I think the quality and advanced nature of the compositions depend on intelligence. A puppy can play a melody no one's ever heard before, but it doesn't mean he's smart enough not to piss on the carpet for the 5th time. Ha ha ha. Sorry. I hate puppies.

I couldn't take it anymore. The spelling in the title line has been fixed.

Thanks. I almost puked when I first saw it.

yeah except that Mozart's IQ was much higher than 135....

That's disputable. There's really nothing you can do beyond approximating what someone's IQ would be without actually testing them - and of course depending on the day the possible fluxuation can be massive.

I couldn't take it anymore. The spelling in the title line has been fixed.

You have done the site a great favour, and for that i will honour you always

Thanks guys for the encouragement, It must boil down to that intelligence is not so importent if you love music and keep training at it. Have a merry christmas.

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