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When did this thing with some older pop and certainly a lot of modern pop/electronic music become popular with ending on a V or ii chord without resolving to the i/I/vi, or anything like it? I've never understood it: it doesn't sound particularly good and the argument that it makes for a better loop is bad because you can just splice a repeat in anytime you want. Fading out is one thing (still don't like it very much), since it implies an end in some temporal space, but ending on the V is still something that bothers me. 

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23 minutes ago, Monarcheon said:

When did this thing with some older pop and certainly a lot of modern pop/electronic music become popular with ending on a V or ii chord without resolving to the i/I/vi, or anything like it? I've never understood it: it doesn't sound particularly good and the argument that it makes for a better loop is bad because you can just splice a repeat in anytime you want. Fading out is one thing (still don't like it very much), since it implies an end in some temporal space, but ending on the V is still something that bothers me. 

 

I enjoy doing that to keep the listener waiting for a solution that will never come.

It's kind of... an artistic tool?

Like making a movie about someone facing a deathly disease

and ending the movie when the watcher doesn't know if he dies or continue to live after that.

I would love to see a movie that ends that way, but today all the movies end up with happy endings

(although I saw some brave ones with kind of sad ending).

Think about watching a movie like that.

Maybe it even gives the watcher an opportunity to invent an ending by himself.

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@Rabbival507 Don't get me wrong; using V as the final chord of a piece (like Barber Agnus Dei, for example) can be incredibly powerful, but in a lot of club music and pop songs, it just sounds like they couldn't come up with an ending.

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If it is well done, I like that endings. Making a V7 chord, or any kind of unstable chord, sound like a ending is an art. I understand what you say, putting a V7 and nothing more, in a tonal context, is a bad thing.

But in other context it works:

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6 hours ago, Monarcheon said:

When did this thing with some older pop and certainly a lot of modern pop/electronic music become popular with ending on a V or ii chord without resolving to the i/I/vi, or anything like it? I've never understood it: it doesn't sound particularly good and the argument that it makes for a better loop is bad because you can just splice a repeat in anytime you want. Fading out is one thing (still don't like it very much), since it implies an end in some temporal space, but ending on the V is still something that bothers me. 

 

Do you have any examples of this so we can talk specifics? The V ending is so rare! But I love a good fade, because it suits the concept of something cut in stone, as the recording, but goes on forever in your mind. So the I is there, as is the ii, IV and V. They are all represented in a package! And sometimes more. Some artists have transcended it from a convenience or device to something higher. Here's one. https://youtu.be/CsOmABqfDvo

Or Wedding Bell Blues, which I consider to be a perfect pop sonng. https://youtu.be/XvKzCspqGgQ

 

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