Instead of Christmas (Submission to 2025 Christmas Event)

3 hours ago, Luis Hernández said:

 

 

That’s delicate, precious and beautiful. 

I think if you put that in Suno and add some girl singing and tinker with it, it would be super awesome

Thank you, I'm glad you like it. To be honest, I have no idea how Suno works. But in that case, the basis of this piece, which is the tintinnabuli, would be broken.

Hi @Luis Hernández!

I love how peaceful this piece is. That bare A I don't know why, reminds me of the Veris leta facies in Carmina Burana:

Thx for sharing!

Henry

17 hours ago, Luis Hernández said:

Thank you, I'm glad you like it. To be honest, I have no idea how Suno works. But in that case, the basis of this piece, which is the tintinnabuli, would be broken.

 

Suno is basically you write lyrics, add instruments you want and the music genre you want then generate a song and see if you like it. If not you can tweak it until you like it and since you already know music, it will be a lot easier for you to create masterpieces.

So I guess tintinnabuli is like a set piece or something and adding something to it or voices or other instruments, would mess it up?

11 minutes ago, SeekJohn14v6 said:

Suno is basically you write lyrics, add instruments you want and the music genre you want then generate a song and see if you like it. If not you can tweak it until you like it and since you already know music, it will be a lot easier for you to create masterpieces.

So I guess tintinnabuli is like a set piece or something and adding something to it or voices or other instruments, would mess it up?

Your replies make me believe more that you may be lobbyist or salesperson of Suno lol... Maybe you never write absolute music yourself...

Tintinnabuli is a technique and compostional style, but I guess if I explain to you I will once again be stigmatized as "elitism" ,so, 😴.

Henry

Tintinnabuli is Árvo Párt.

8 hours ago, Henry Ng Tsz Kiu said:

Your replies make me believe more that you may be lobbyist or salesperson of Suno lol... Maybe you never write absolute music yourself...

Tintinnabuli is a technique and compostional style, but I guess if I explain to you I will once again be stigmatized as "elitism" ,so, 😴.

Henry

 

You are what you are, i wasn’t even talking to you.

The person was wondering how suno works so I explained it to him. I play a little bit of guitar, I only write tab, Lyrics and I use suno.

I didn’t ask you for an explanation. Nor would I want to ask you for anything 🫠 

Looking at the score, I was initially somewhat surprised that a lot of notes had lost their stems. Being sure that this was intentionally and reading a bit about „Tintinnabuli“, I now understand that device of minimalization, even in the notation.

The piece itself exudes a kind of calmness and melancholy which emphasizes the silence and toughtfulness one would feel around Christmas time.

Concerning the „Tintinnabuli“-technique, it is surprising for me how one can create such colorful melodies from mostly stepwise thirds and blend them together with only arpeggiated triads of the main tonic chord, without loss of harmonic functionality and without introducing dissonances (but, haha, I think I’ve discovered a G in bar 18).

Thank you for sharing and a happy New Year 2026!

Beautiful, sad, very Tchaikovsky. Music like this makes you feel which is not easy to do. Cool technique too.

@Wieland Handke : bull eyes.  It was just about to say the tone and style reflects Avo Part compositions.  @Luis Hernández I love how you emulate that style and character in this composition.  And as @chopin  your emotional depth is something that the romantics were write. 

@SeekJohn14v6 Suno is AI. No serious composer would use it.  

@Kvothe well i’m a lyricist, i guess that’s a stepdown from a composer. Many years from now, people will be more accepting of AI assisted music. At least I still write the lyrics.

1 hour ago, SeekJohn14v6 said:

@Kvothe well i’m a lyricist, i guess that’s a stepdown from a composer. Many years from now, people will be more accepting of AI assisted music. At least I still write the lyrics.

 

That's fine if you want to write lyrics.  Composers collab with lyricist when it comes songs.  But even so, those songs are rehearse and then perform by actors and actress and singers. 

Again, in the media industry (depending on the budget), there will be either live musicians, midi, hybrid, or synths.  Which proves there again there won't be AI support. 

In concert settings, they prefer live recordings. (but midi is fine if that is all you have). 

i.e. not AI! 

I really like listening to this style without the score, since I think part of the magic is not knowing exactly how long the phrases will be, or when a solo bass note will ring, etc. 

This is great Luis, it's always a pleasure to hear your music! It reminded me of quiet falling snow at night 🙂 

A side note to my above comment: @SeekJohn14v6 

As i have discussed this before when suno was brough up, composers on here either use Note performer with NPPE or a DAW with the same libraries that NPPE uses. However, NPPE was discontinued.  VST are incredibly expensive.   Companies offer entry level ones (BBSCO discover, VSL SPE, OT free, Musio) East west have amazing stuff too. 

@Kvothe Thanks for the info. hmm I’m new to this music tech stuff, i’m gonna have to look all that stuff up later.

I think Suno would be very expedient and helpful to composers to lay out their vision and blueprints completed real fast and then have everyone on the team hear the creation then all work together with the same goal and sound that was already created to practice and perform it live.

If i was a real composer I would use suno to supplement my skills and bring my vision to life so I already have something to show the team and it will make coordination faster.

I could even just send them my creation before we even meet at all so they already know and we would all be on the same page whether they liked it or wanted some revisions done. A lot of work would have already happened before the live rehearsal, a lot of time would be saved too. 

@SeekJohn14v6 Again. This proves our point, sadly. 

@Kvothe not sure what you mean

On 12/29/2025 at 2:21 PM, Wieland Handke said:

Looking at the score, I was initially somewhat surprised that a lot of notes had lost their stems. Being sure that this was intentionally and reading a bit about „Tintinnabuli“, I now understand that device of minimalization, even in the notation.

 

 

Thank you all for listening.

The fact that some notes have stems and others do not is to differentiate, within the tintinnabuli technique, between the two types of voices: the melodic voice and the tintinnabuli (or supporting) voices.

The truth is that this technique can be taken to very complex levels. I really like it and studied Pärt in some depth.