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Thanks for the recommendations @Lithl! I would like to contribute two of my favorite post-tonal works. The first one is Luigi Dallapiccola’s amazing Quaderno musicale di Annalibera, which is probably one of the greatest twelve tone works ever composed. https://youtu.be/TNWXvOHx_I0?si=y6MOr3LkqQ3PvuKs Then, from the late Pierre Boulez, we have his Sur Incises, a work of extreme delicacy and sensitivity to sound. It’s not serial or twelve tone, while still rigorous in design—it may surprise many to hear that in his later years, Boulez was highly critical of serialism on both artistic and perceptual grounds. This piece is a sort of deeply layered deconstruction or “explosion” of the piano timbre.

Hello everyone, I'd like to share a recent composition of mine, The Song of Roland, for oboe and English horn. The piece evokes a medieval atmosphere: slow, melodic, dreamlike and melancholic passages alternate with faster sections characterized by martial affects. Overall, the music is shaped by a sense of grandeur and, at times, dramatic intensity, and is inspired by the medieval epic The Song of Roland. Here is the link with score: [YouTube link] I would be very interested in your impressions — particularly from composers, oboists and other woodwind players.

You managed to get my attention with that other thread, so i thought i’d spend some time looking at your work. First impressions: Sounds late viennese at times Schubertian. From its title, it is programmatic? You are depicting a specific scene to music, something to do with giants dancing? What kind of dance is this? Second, you mention this is in the “classical style”; my question with respect to this is whether you’re aiming for an authentic classical style or more fluid (neo-classical). I feel this is an important question relevant to the feedback you may be seeking. As for the music itself, you’ve done well to develop your ideas. On first glance I didn’t detect any stand-out issues with the voice leading. I did also feel the Viola-bass pairing not only unusual but ineffective. I understand that pairing is very rare in the repertoire, probably because composers preferred treble/bass pairing to access a wider range in pitch. It may well be due to the MIDI quality, although it was at time difficult to hear the distinctive voice of either the bass or viola when together. Finally, you could look to spice the piano part up a little more. It is largely effective as it is, but you could expand its expressive capacity as a third voice in the dialogue. But if you wish it to be primarily supportive that is fine.

@ARCMusicPublishings You’re absolutely right in that I did not wish to convey a “dismissive” attitude. When I post feedback on works here, i primarily look for two things: The intentions and approach to the work. If this isn’t provided, I ask to inform my feedback. The score: this helps inform whatever feedback i may have. All of this ties in with the way in which I seek to provide feedback: What is the story being told, here? How is that narrative constructed? What are the strengths and limitations? What recommendations might I have? In this case, I had neither to work with but a 13 minute long audio file, with individual movements at least timestamped. This is why I asked the creator to share this, but unfortunately was not forthcoming with that. Some general advice to those listening: I would really recommend anyone posting content on this forum for constructive feedback to make explicit this kind of important information at the outset, not only in courtesy to the reviewer but also to give your own music the attention it deserves. Otherwise they leave it up to the listener to work it all out, which risks not only to diminish engagement but also misinterpreting or under appreciating the music itself. And while it is true that I have my own musical preferences, I make a lot of effort to keep that out of the foreground. What matters most to me is how effective the narrative is. If there is no narrative, I would seek to justify that, such as your point regarding background music. I don’t feel however that this was purposed as such. There are too many prominent motifs, apparent contrapuntal textures and dissonances, in my estimation.

This week, I want to share with you guys two completely different composers' works. I hope you can discover new music which is to your taste in this topic. And I think that because of culture and so on, even if some piece is really familiar and famous to you, for some people it isn't. In fact, I have met such people, and I am one too. Even so, Billy Joel is too famous!? Anyway, do not hesitate to share your favorite pieces!

Thank you so much, my dear friend. Your words truly mean a lot to me, and I’m genuinely happy that my music gave you such a beautiful feeling. It means a great deal to me that you enjoyed listening to it. ❤️ Actually, I have already written three classical piano sonatas, and I would be very happy to share them with you. I’ll put the link to the video with all three sonatas below, so you can listen to them if you’d like. The first sonata is written entirely in a Mozartian style, while the other two are more Schubertian in character. I would absolutely love to hear your thoughts if you get the chance to listen to them. Thank you again, from my heart, for your beautiful words and for taking the time to listen to my music. ❤️

Brother, that's most of us! Don't worry, no one here judges your music based on a Hollywood polished soundtrack, we're all here to learn and get better. People generally ask for a score to better understand your music or ask specific questions, but if you use software that the score isn't a part of the writing process, or you just don't want to share, that's fine. Either way it's all welcome. I'm curious of your writing process. Your language is far different from mine, but I really like a bunch of the ideas. Were you working with themes or motifs? Or was it more an improvised sort of plethora of sounds? With the dissonant language, it can be hard to grasp ahold of the language, but a strong sense of rhythm might benefit well, even if it's just here and there, or a strong feature in a movement. I'm thinking of Beethoven SQ no.14 mov 4 if you're familiar, little rhythmic interjections in a sea of smooth string writing. Just thoughts as I listen. Overall, a wonderful work. As others' mentioned, a score would be great! Otherwise, I love to hear more on the thought process. Thanks for sharing!

I posted a TAB on Ultimate-Guitar.com of this song! Check it out: https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/tab/christopher-cross/natures-way-chords-6596852

Y'all are so nice, thank you kindly. Sorry, the Tennessee gets ahold of me sometimes 😁 @Lithl Thanks for sharing some thoughts! I agree, this is definitely a bluesy in a bar feel, perhaps the rhythm could portray a drunken aloofness? You're very kind, but if I come across your new music and it blows me away... well, consider that badge an easy win for team Lithl :) @Seni-G Hey thanks for listening! I did put a lot of time into this one, especially with the flow and form of it. For either of you, I don't think I know your music, so send me something and I'll check it out, or I'll just look out for your name and share some thoughts :) P.S. @Henry Ng Tsz Kiu, Please don't remind me I'll never be able to receive the most prestigious award our forum has to give... it pains the most precious recesses in my soul 💋

I definitely don't mind the comparison with your own music either, I actually find it interesting that you've received very similar feedback yourself. It makes me think that this is perhaps less a question of whether this approach is correct or incorrect, and more a question of how much space the listener needs in order to perceive the relationships between the ideas.

Hello, thank you for your detailed and lengthy comment, I really appreciate it. I can certainly see what you mean by the lack of a more obvious “aha” moment or a major change of tempo, mood, or musical language. It is intentional: I tend to think of development less in terms of large contrasting sections and more in terms of gradual transformation, interaction. So there may be development happening, but it is not always presented as a clearly perceptible change of scenery. In other words, my music often flows like water, sometimes swelling, sometimes receding, but never coming to a stop. That is actually very useful feedback for me, because there is a difference between something being internally connected and the listener actually being able to perceive that connection.

Hi all! I recently posted a Rondo, which was actually the third movement of this piano sonata. Here is the full sonata. I know that posting a whole sonata is asking a lot from listeners. Please feel free to listen to only one movement if you like, or the entire thing if you're in the mood to hear the entire arc of it. Whatever works best for you! I appreciate any and all feedback, even if you only listen to a portion. Here is a breakdown of the entire sonata: MOVEMENT 1: The 1st movement is in Sonata Form. Following along with the form may help you wrap your head around the various parts of the movement. The form your road map through the jungle. Section 1 - Exposition (measures 1-128): the piece starts with a main theme in the home key (C# minor), followed by a second main theme (measure 59) in the key of the relative major (E). Though you may hear many ideas that roll out one after another, the form of this first section is grounded by those two main themes. Section 2 - Development (measures 129-243): in this section the two main themes are deconstructed, developed, played around with, and intertwined with other ideas, all flowing together into a mixture, a river that carries the listener along. This section is doesn't stand on solid ground, but instead is ever-shifting. It's goal is motion, development, and play. Section 3 - Recapitulation (measures 244-end): the first main theme returns (244) but is changed now, followed by the second theme (370) which now appears in the home key (it is now minor). MOVEMENT 2: This music is a projection of my mind during the time when my first son was born, a reflection of my complicated emotions, my questions, my fear and love. The music fades in and out of coherency, at times directionless, until it finally lands on solid ground. It’s asking a question, and just as the answer comes within reach, it slips away again. This movement is tough to pin down, difficult to categorize. The music is searching, searching… It emerges slowly, pops in and out of view, like a distant ship in the mist. Sometimes it’s a love song, sometimes a lament, sometimes a hopeful look toward the future, and sometimes a lonely figure grasping for something in the dark. MOVEMENT 3: The 3rd movement is a Rondo, which resembles a club sandwich, where theme 1 is the bread: Theme 1 (measure 5) Theme 2 (41) Theme 1 again (69) Theme 3 (98) Theme 1 once more (195) Each time theme 1 returns, it comes with very slight variations. Since the first movement contains so much development and so any ideas, the third movement keeps the main theme mostly intact throughout. The third movement may be a bit too tightly wound, but I made it that way because the first movement feels a bit like an over-stuffed burrito. Thanks so much for listening! 1. Allegro con brio.mp3 2. Largo (Jack's Song).mp3 3. Rondo.mp3 01 Allegro con brio.pdf 02 Jack's Song.pdf 03 Rondo.pdf

@Vasilis Michael Your performance of this music really sparkles! You have such a nice touch. This is very nice music to play in the morning while taking the first sips of coffee. It’s like it was made to play in the background of quiet kitchen, with the sunlight peeking through the blinds. You obviously have tremendous skill as a composer and pianist. Your music (that I’ve heard so far) is delicate and sweet and sumptuous. Delicious! And yes I think I would love to hear a sonata from you. A sonata is an opportunity to write something that challenges the listener on an intellectual level. It requires that they follow you through your themes and developments, and gives you a chance to paint in many colors, to draw out your ideas and toy with them, to tell a long-form story. I’d love to see what you create in that arena. Very well done, a real joy to listen to.

@Fruit hunter I really enjoyed this work. Variation IV was especially exciting. You do an excellent job of managing the dramatic pacing throughout the piece, with your creative and varied use of rhythm. None of the variations overstay their welcome. They say their piece and allow the next one to take over. Taken as a whole, the piece paints a satisfying dramatic arc. My only concern is the playability of some areas. I would consider asking: is every instance of virtuosity required, or could you convey that same feeling without requiring virtuosity in that instance? I’m not saying it’s unplayable, but only that it looks very difficult, especially when fast passages resolve into thick chords, or when the bass accompaniment requires very fast tempo and precise rhythms. Lowering the virtuosity level (while maintaining the vibe you’re going for) will only increase the number of players who are capable of performing it. Not a requirement, just a consideration, coming from someone who loves to try and play new compositions, but is not himself a virtuoso pianist. But overall excellent work. I’d love to hear this performed live.

Oh! You know, I actually had this similar conversation with yet another inquisitive board member; who too felt that my music could have taken a little more breathing room to develop my themes a little better. My only counter-response here is that I'm really not doing anything in this regard that Stravinsky himself hadn't already done! And, I'm sorry to be clinging to him pathetically as if "Rite" was some be-all-end-all approval post, but it does seem very fitting in this conversation.

I suppose my opinion is somewhat different than Markus Boyd's; which I will get to momentarily. I will say, the very beautiful music that we have going on felt, still, rather "flat" to me. There was little contrast throughout; at least during the first portions of the piece. I get there were moments when the music somewhat rose (achieved through slight crescendos). Otherwise, there was no "aha" moment, where something changed and grabbed my attention. No tempo change, no change in mood. No new visitation to various tonal/post-tonal keys. Nothing stood out to me. After listening to the first two or three minutes of it, I felt like I've heard the entire piece. Once more, it was beautiful music; and I certainly found it a lush relaxer. But, there was nothing "different" from start to end. Perhaps that's the style you were going for. There is absolutely a place in the music world for this kind of musical development; "one idea moving ('hastily') onto the next, without much chance of development". Background music is the primary example that definitely calls for this type of stylistic development. (As a far-branching sidenote (which, to clarify, speaks nothing to Markus Boyd's meaning here), I usually get this^^ feedback as a form of dismissive criticism; by people who superficially look at the music and then don't care to observe the potential deeper web of my"overly complicated" music. Usually, when I "defend" myself to say that my piece does in fact develop with themes that do come back, and that the form is there, I don't hear from them again. Have I proven my point regarding "dismissive"? Now, once more, I'm not saying that Marcus Boyd was being dismissive of Petr Kopuletý at all. In fact, I see the opposite: I appreciate that MB was being curiously inquisitive.) I like to kindly finish that history is on Petr Kopuletý's side on this: people didn't see the development in the "Rite of Spring" either. That famous Bassoon theme? It gets measly developed and revived at best; and then doesn't return at all for the rest of the Ballet Tone Poem. The Stravinsky chord moment? I don't remember hearing it again after that one jarring moment of its appearance. None of his music gets "developed" in the way critiques typically want it to: a theme that comes back and transforms. So, why do we love "Rite of Spring" so much, and why does it keep getting played again and again... and again...?

Yes, but I'm thinking orchestrating it just for orchestration practice

This is for quintet not orchestra, right

Thank you for taking the time to listen to my piece. I would love to hear more of your feedback when you get a chance. Thanks again!

Hello A few weeks ago, I was discussing the characteristic features of the 20th-century neoclassical style. I wrote a short minuet incorporating these features. A playful style, based on the 18th-century minuet dance, with broken accents, clean lines, bitonality, unexpected modulations... MINUETO_luis.mp3 MINUETO_luis.pdf

This was originally called four by a competition on a different discord server a few months back, but I will send this over here to see what other feedback I can get this piece was a team activity as that you had teams throughout three different rounds and this happened to be the first round, but also happened was that all my teammates did not contribute anything so technically, I was the only one to credit myself. Anyways, provided down below is the seiklios epitaph this is a very ancient piece of written music and by scholars was to be thought of the first written piece of music in the first composition the prompt said to write a prelude of five minutes, but given the opportunity, I made it a theme in variations, however, though it could still function as a prelude since prelude really means a opener or something that comes before something else meaning that this would make a great opener for a piano concert or for something to study It turns out I can't really put the image in here without extra work, but the one thing I had realized is that the theme is the first thing to be played quite literally without any variation Variations on an ancient song.mp3 Variations on an ancient song.pdf

Bro you should check out my Paganini Variations seriously. Also I might try 😉.

Thank you so much, my friend, for taking the time to listen to my Sonata and for sharing such beautiful and thoughtful words. I’m truly happy that my music gave you something meaningful and that the Sonata was able to bring you these feelings. That means a lot to me. ❤️

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Hello Markus, Thanks for sharing! It’s funny how this video also showed up in my feed yesterday! I guess that’s just how the algorithm works. The AI fugue is in fact pretty good—it’s way superior to others I’ve heard concocted by AI. For some reason, AI music fails to interest me, as well as AI literature/poetry. Perhaps that’s because I’m as interested in the human element and how life is translated, through the messiness of the creative process, into art. AI music seems to me like a regression, because it’s distanced another step from human consciousness, from those sacred limitations, needs, and inefficiencies that constitute humanity. So even if AI could create art technically at the level of Beethoven or Bach, I would personally remain unconvinced. It’s kind of like receiving a love letter, and learning that it was written by ChatGPT. It’s so disappointing. It’s just so… shallow. Some things are best left to the humans, regardless of technical capability—that’s just my two cents!