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How do you feel about including AI on YCF?  

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  1. 1. How do you feel about including AI generated music on YCF?

    • I'm open to all music regardless of its origin or creator.
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    • I value feedback from everyone, regardless of their experience or tools used.
      4
    • Music should be judged on its own merit regardless of its source.
      2
    • I'm happy to help AI users learn the fundamentals of manual composition.
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    • I support a dedicated AI sub-forum to ensure transparency and organization.
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    • I'm neutral as long as AI content is clearly labeled.
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    • I'm pragmatic - it's better to have a dedicated AI sub-forum than to deal with dishonest submissions.
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    • I'm against AI content - it feels discouraging and out of place here.
      16
    • I prefer getting feedback only from traditional composers, not AI users.
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    • Writing prompts for an AI does not constitute "composition".
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    • I only want advice from those who share my commitment to the craft of composition.
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    • AI users aren't "composers" and should not be part of this community.
      10
    • I find advice from AI users regarding my work unhelpful or intrusive.
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    • AI-generated music can be useful for quick imitation and feedback, but it lacks true emotion, intent, and creativity, so it cannot match the authenticity of human-composed music.
      13
    • Other (please respond to this thread and voice your opinion!)
      6

  2. 2. What course of action do you think we should take regarding AI generated music on YCF?

    • Ban all AI music.
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    • Make an AI generated music sub-forum and disallow them from participating in events/competitions.
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    • Make an AI generated music sub-forum and allow them to participate in events/competitions.
      0
    • Allow AI generated music anywhere in the forum and disallow them from participating in events/competitions.
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    • Allow AI generated music anywhere in the forum and allow them in events/competitions.
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    • Allow AI generated music anywhere in the forum totally unregulated.
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  3. 3. If we decide to regulate AI music, how should we detect it?

    • Use online AI detection tools that are being developed to check if any given sound file is generated by AI.
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    • Require everyone to disclose what software they used and submit a PDF score, midi or work files from their sequencer/DAW/notation software with their music.
      19
    • Require users to give video proof, or WIP (work-in-progress) versions of their composition to prove its authenticity.
      1
    • Ask the composer to give an account of the content of their composition such as meter, key, modulations, and other technical details that only a trained composer would know about.
      10
    • Other (please respond to this thread and voice your opinion!)
      7

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5 hours ago, Monarcheon said:

Although I hold that AI music is still technically music, however unethically created it is, AI music is certainly not composed. It's more so generated, and this site is arguably about the composition of music, not the music itself

 

Exactly.  Completely agreed. 

It wouldn't be appropriate to post, say, a Haydn string quartet in the "share your work" forums, because it's not your work.  In exactly the same sense, it doesn't make any sense to me for someone to post an AI-composed piece here, because it's not the poster's work.  What would be the point?  Best case, you fool people into thinking it's your own work.  What then?  People give you feedback, assuming you wrote the piece, and that feedback is totally useless to you since you didn't, in fact, write the piece.  I suppose maybe somebody will say, "Good job," to you, and OK, congratulations, you tricked someone into praising you.  (Though, I must say, to date, I still have not heard an AI-composed piece of music that I thought was anything better than mediocre).

 

1 hour ago, Kvothe said:

Follow up: 

If there is sub-forum for AI, how will that impact the forum as a whole? How do you review entries with AI? 

This is exactly what I can't understand.  What would anyone expect in response to a piece of AI-generated music?  Sure, I could pretend that a human actually wrote it and write a critique of it based on that fiction, but I can't imagine why I would ever do that, nor can I imagine what use that would be to the person who posted it.

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Fruit hunter Enthusiast

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I’m kind of on the mix opinion here for me AI music seems very dishonest and rather very silly in its own part. It should have no place competing against real human work however, though I am completely foreign, even encouraging the use of some AI music software’s. (stuff like cantai.) that allows for the performance of a human work to be perfected.

 

Thing number one: I definitely feel like that a performance using AI is not as bad again this is not regarding about the performance of music. This is a regarding about people’s compositions.

 

Thing number two: it should be unfair to have AI as a wild thing in competitions. Sure they could be in an events. Events are perfect for AI as that nobody is competing against anybody, however, though I feel like top priority should be given to real people’s human works first AI could wait.  
 

Competition competitions and AI do not mix unless if you have a AI only competition

 

 

My final thing to say though is, I am very mixed about having a AI only sub if we do have one sure I wouldn’t mind as much and it’s not a huge problem but again you’re not composing music  at least there should be someplace for AI music here and to have at least a very strong filter that can be unable to get rid of it for those who do not want any part of it

 

things to go against AI is definitely some anti-AI software to tell if someone is using it for ill intent. At least some knowledge of a piece of music can work as proof and even if it’s a short thing, then at most a score to accompany with it.  Honestly for contests score in audio should be mandatory unless if stated otherwise.   Thank you.

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Kvothe Mentor

Kvothe

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@Fruit hunter

Cant is not what being referred here. That is more score play back and it is not AI. Same goes for NP. Walden is similar to what one would do in a daw.  Those are fine. What is not Suno. Suno is completely AI. No perfomace at all. It just words written into app and then creates music? but how? 

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