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Don't think anyone has posted this yet... Star Fox 64, Sector X. I prefer the quartet version.

Haha... well I've listened to Mahler's second symphony while working out at the gym, so there! The prelude for guitar is lovely, by the way! It reminds me a bit of Scarlatti, though maybe it's because of my lack of exposure to this particular style.

@Luis Hernández and @Seni-G it's neat that Charles Ives came out in the discussion, because I was definitely reminded of his work when listening to the sonata, though I forgot to mention it. A lot of pieces of the aesthetic puzzle fit together with Ives' influence in mind!

Thanks @Lithl & @CrystalCanon Do not disparage your contribution to discussion on this forum, Lithl. Your feedback is as important to us as anyone else here. The second movement is indeed different. To some extent it is more stylictsticaly reminiscent of earlier galant chamber music, particularly in my use of the initial bass pattern that contains semiquaver passing notes. This is quite common in, for example, the chamber music of Carl Abel (a close associate of JC Bach) of late 1750s & early 1760s: But structurally it is quite different and in my view more akin to a fantasy - more liberal with greater meandering in the development and license in the recapitulation. I leave it to other's to determine whether it is a good fit or not... after all it was composed initially as a standalone piece that I thought would complement this suite. Listen carefully to some of the bass motifs at cadential in Abel's flute concerto in the below video (first piece) to see what I mean:

Exactly! Some of the best chorus' of Bach's festive cantatas, with the splendor of the full baroque orchestra, are in 3/8. I personally recommend that of Vereinigte Zwietracht der wechselnden Saiten, BWV 207, for which he reused the first movement from his Brandenburg Concerto no 1. Such clever stuff! I listen to it while working out in the gym... I must be the only one in the world doing that 🤣

Hi Markus! It’s a really nice quartet, definitely in the spirit of Mozart and Haydn. The portamento in the sound samples of the strings can be mildly distracting. Also for some reason, I was slightly unsettled by bar 17 for some reason, though maybe the effect was intentional, or maybe it was partly because of the portamento. Great piece though, and I’m excited to hear the final version!

@Lithl Thank you kindly for the review! The kids are doing great, thanks for asking. That was a picture of my oldest some when he was a newborn, and now he’s a tween. Time flies. I’ve never heard of Kapustin but I’ll definitely check him out! @Luis Hernández Good call about dropping the repeat in the first movement. I left it in because I wanted to keep that classical sonata form, but maybe it should be an optional repeat. And thank you for the Ives comparison. I have always felt a certain kinship with Ives. He achieved so beautifully what I long to achieve: a prolific quantity of ear-stretching music that never breaks away entirely from classical harmony and form. I appreciate the comparison!!

Entry: A Song of Beauty and Melancholy Melodies Themes Motives Harmony Chords Textures Form Development Structure Time Originality Creativity Score Presentation Instrumentation Orchestration Playability Execution of Given Challenge Taste 9 9 9 10 4 4 7 8 Average Score:7.5 When I looked at the score at the distance, the first thing I noticed was that Piano and According parts are not separated but connected. It appears as if it one instrument and not two separate instruments. You have to disconnect the bars between piano and the according. Another issue I noticed is that is weird beaming patterns and stems positions. For instance, in the pick-up you have steams downwards, that is not correct. When they are connected like that, it should be up, since the majority of the notes are above the middle line. It looks just nicer that way. Another thing I noticed is you break beams a lot. This makes harder to read! You do this a lot in measures where the meter is 2/4. The only time beams are not connected is in vocal music. I see no vocal part. You have a lot of unnecessary dynamic markings. Hairpins are wonderful things. I would not use mezzo dymanics as much. Possibly changing from F to P is more effective vs F to MF. Also save those tripple markings for special moments. However, this is highly creative. You have written wonderful textures using different instruments and timbres. I see no problem there. It was just overall engraving. Total: 60/80

Yeah, again it was kind of a random idea that popped in my head. This was purely out of curiosity it’s fine.

Hi @Fruit hunter First off, I think this belongs in the List of Manually-Awardable Badges thread as that is where new kinds of awards would get proposed. But I don't think you should bother about requesting it because creating such an award is: Lacking in meaning. Can easily be replaced by a simple "Like" reaction from you showing your approval. Would be too overwhelming - what if every member of the forum requested their own unique award to be able to give out to members? In any case - only staff are able to give out awards so you wouldn't be able to award the badge at your leisure but would have to continually request the staff to award each individual badge which would be logistically challenging. But of course - feel free to suggest other kinds of awards about specific characteristics of submitted pieces or their composers! Thanks for your interest.

guys hear me out. “ the fruit hunter award of excellence.” when I review a piece of music for a competition and it demonstrates it’s excellence then it gets the special honor of my award of excellence. This always has been something that has been in my head after listening to a really good composition so it may be a gimmick that i may picked up. in order for a piece of music to qualify there are two gates The total average of the score is 9.5 or greater If a piece of music, is that a threshold of 9.45-9.49 but the taste score is 9.75 or higher then it will also receive the score but this is just my little stupid idea that I have it kind of just rolls off the tongue and I thought it would be fun to present it to y’all

this production receives the “ fruit hunter award of excellence” !!!

awesome. I’ll do this in two parts my initial thoughts and then I’ll revisit the score and I’ll try to find things to pick out and to justify some rankings which could be positive as well so don’t get scared. Anyways, I kinda like the idea of this kind of acting like a sandwich with the bread, acting like this nocturne sort of like hymn sort of statement. and then a more wild, more tonically free section. I definitely appreciate the dissonance news here and the initial thought that I couldn’t even swap away was the frustration that you may have gone through, which may have caused this intentional dissonant harmony as a composer myself I also have gone through this sort of phenomenon so treated kind of as “key smashing”. I also appreciate the orchestration as well with the blending within the trumpet with its muted parts with the accordion, and also the blending within the guitar and cello making the sound simultaneously the same instrument. The one lick pic about the orchestration though is that I could barely really hear the cello on its own and pick it apart however, though this should be treated as a good thing, so you have your own justification for that. I also liked how you did some of the program notes and your ideas with putting “lyrics” to the trumpet part and also achieving that singing voice quality with the instrument that’s not the voice the accordion was especially a nice touch as it’s going to buff your originality score in your orchestration score by tons anyways the only concern is the bow changes which should be achievable due to the low tempo, but just making sure that people will most likely start to miss notes and parts getting cut out around pages 6 to 10 in the cello part. The supplemental techniques and fingerings provided are appreciated. I always enjoy that pedagogical style that you provide. score - MelodiesThemes Motives Harmony Chords Textures Form Development Structure Time Originality Creativity Score Presentation Instrumentation Orchestration Playability Execution of Given Challenge Taste 9.6 10 9.1 9 10 8.675 9.8 9.75 average: 9.49 magnificent job here definitely going to be a memorable piece of this competition the only thing I would say though about why your orchestration score got a little bit off was just because of the bow changes, however, though they could possibly be possible. anyways, amazing job.

Hello @Markus Boyd, thanks for sharing this beautiful baroque inspired prelude for acoustic guitar! Congratulations for the good scoring. Unfortunately, I had needed this a few weeks earlier, since I also featured an acoustic guitar in my last composition (for the ongoing 2026 Summer Competition). I hope that I did not cause many playability issues there, since the part is mostly single-voiced. That would be great, already excited. Yes, pieces in 3/8 are wonderful for their beautiful and thriving character, but that meter has – in my opinion - always the inherent danger from constantly listening as „hum-ta-taa, hum-ta-taa, hum-ta-taa“. There are a number of recordings of, for example, the opening choir and the choir „Herrscher des Himmels“ from Bach’s Christmas Oratorio, which suffer from that problem to be as rhythmically monotonous, regardless of the tempo. However, in your prelude this is not the case, perhaps since the repeated staccato eights are (wisely) used sparsely.

Hello @Woofi_9, since you are (relatively) new at this forum, first my warm welcome! Whenever one posts an unfinished piece – what I think is here the case due to the title and the plenty bars at the end with rests only – there is a good chance to receive rich feedback with usually polite suggestions for improvement. So I very appreciate @MK_Pianos explanations on „Melody and Harmony“ which are not only intended and useful for you, but for all readers of the forum. I can’t compare myself to him because I don’t have an entire „tutorial“, but only a repost with some considerations about „Rhythm and Texture“ which, I think, supplements Mason’s explanations. I intentionally just did not listen to the piece and am focusing only on that I am seeing in the score, trying to formulate my concerns and suggestions – however the piece might sound fine. A string quartet consists of four individual instruments, usually playing a single voice (and, furthermore, of four individual humans). Thus, it perfectly fits for a four-part-voice leading where each voice is „independent“ and „equal“ to each other. Such kind of music is called „polyphonic“ or even „counterpuntal“ music – the opposite to a musical „style“ that consists of a (prominent) melody voice and (subordinate) accompaniment. I think, your piece is a kind of this approach. However, we do need a memorable melody and rhythm, often called a „theme“, which is played multiple times (sometimes unchanged like in a canon or fugue - or otherwise slightly altered) by all instruments throughout the piece. So the role, which instrument is most prominent and which are the accompanying ones changes, finally creating variety. And there I’m coming now to my concerns or „criticism“: I can’t recognize such a memorable „theme“ which I would usually expect at the beginning of the piece in the upper voice. Instead, the Violin 1 has a somewhat repetitive texture with repeated half notes for the first 6 bars. Although the piece has enough distinctive textural motifs (each one bar long), they are not distributed well enough between the voices resulting in that the same motif is repeated too often by the same instrument (for example, the Cello in bars 9-14). My suggestion is, to take the one-bar motifs and create a „theme“ from them. In the example below, I have taken two passages, snippet them out and glued them together to create such a „theme“ from then which I would consider to distinctive enough. (Note, that I didn’t take care of the melody, i.e. the pitches and didn’t bother how it would sound, it is a rhythmic or textural example only). I would start with that „theme“ in Violin 1 and would repeat it at least two times (or better three times to involve all four instruments) thereafter by other voices. The other instruments should than apply rhythmical motifs which are contrary to that bars of the theme, meaning where the theme has a slow motion, the other instruments should have the faster motion – and vice versa.

Dear Acerylio, Thank you so much for such a thoughtful, detailed, and appreciative review! I was genuinely delighted to receive it and have read it several times. I was actually aware that I had not made enough use of the English horn and its particular qualities in this piece. To be honest, I originally intended to write the piece for two oboes. It was mainly because of the final section, where the very last note falls just below the oboe’s range, that I eventually decided on this instrumentation. Perhaps I was also a little too hesitant to create a greater contrast between the registers of the two voices, as I did not want to disturb the feeling and character of the piece. I actually tried several times to move the second voice into a lower register in other passages, but somehow it just did not sound right to my ear. So in the end, I decided to leave it as it is. This is my very first piece for oboe and English horn, and I am only a beginner hobby composer, so your feedback is all the more valuable to me. If I decide to revise the piece at some point, or to write something new for these instruments—or for strings, for that matter—I will definitely keep your advice in mind. Once again, thank you very much for your time, your knowledge, and your thoughtful and helpful feedback! Warm regards, Yevgeniy

Here is my contribution to the "From Nothing, to Something" 2026 Summer Composition Competition:

Dear fellow composers, I’m pleased to present you today my submission to the YCF 2026 Summer Competition! I must admit, that the task of the competition was really challenging, starting from „Nothing“ and than get the right ideas for „Something“ that is reminiscent to the mood of the summer day as expressed by Paul Verlaine’s poem. The challenge. When a composer has trouble coming up with a brilliant idea for a new piece, it sometimes takes several attempts, each of which yields different individual ideas. And there are some pieces that consist of several ideas that have been “glued” together, ultimately resulting in something like a “collage song.” I’m thinking, for example, of “A Day in the Life” by the Beatles or “Band on the Run” by Paul McCartney and Wings. However, there also exists such a kind of piece in Bach’s Welltempered Clavier, the Prelude VII in E-flat major, BWV 852. That particular prelude starts with a short section with runs of 32th notes, followed by a „more serious“ part in slow motion, that reminds me at a „chorale“. The third and longest part is a fugato with two subjects that further develops the ideas from the first two sections. So with this particular Bach prelude in mind, I had thus found the model for my own prelude, which serves as the „sketch“ for the quintet finally presented here as my submission. I always start to compose the pieces for piano in order to – on the one hand, have another piece for my preludes and fugues project, and on the other hand, because I find it to hard to mix the two phases of „composing“ and „orchestrating“ together. So I have posted the piano version as a standalone piece "Prelude XXI in B flat major" on the „Piano Music, Solo Keyboard“ thread. The poem. When I came around to the second part, the “Chorale” section, I faced the challenge of treating the upper voice of this four-part harmony as the melody for a musical setting of the poem. Since I don’t speak a word of French and have no idea how the syllables are rhythmicized, I looked at Gabriel Fauré’s setting of the poem in his Op. 61, No. 7 to find out which words are pronounced or sung briefly and which are longer. As an interesting fact, I discovered that Fauré had actually chosen the same key, B-flat major, that I had chosen before. The instrumentation. Now that the decision had been made to set the poem to music, I wondered how I could orchestrate it so that it would sound like a French “chanson.” My first thought was to choose the accordion as the main accompanying instrument. And since I wasn’t sure, I Googled: “What are the typical accompanying instruments for a French chanson?”—and sure enough, “accordion,” “guitar,” and “piano” came up. In addition to these, and to take advantage of the possibility of a quintet, I use a trumpet and a cello. Both of these instruments are capable of contributing different timbres (the cello either played with a bow or pizzicato, and the trumpet either muted or unmuted), and during the poem stanzas, I always use the muted trumpet as a substitute for the human voice. The title. Another challenge. A title in French would be appropriate, but I do not really trust translation programs in such delicate situations, since I don’t understand the nuances of the possible result. Thus, I’ve chosen the simple title „Summer – A Song of Beauty and Melancholy“. The latter since the piece features more passages in minor than in major and, therefore, does not only express the joy and beauty of the summer day, but is somewhat melancholic, too. Form and structure: 00:00 (mm. 1-14) The first section is an „improvisation“ which introduces the warm key of B-flat major. 00:34 (mm. 15-29) The second Adagio section could be a „chorale“ and is used to set the first stanza of the poem to music. 01:31 (mm. 30-90) The third and longest section is a fugato based on two subjects, interspersed by further stanzas of the poem (second stanza 02:18 at mm. 48-63 and third stanza 03:37 at mm. 75-90). The first subject quotes the first four-note motif of the „improvisation“ section and develops it further, paired with the second subject, thus creating a joyful and dance-like mood. 04:22 (mm. 91-114) The piece finishes with a coda – or better to say – with a recapitulation of the „improvisation“ from the first section. Now in a more melancholic way, meandering between minor and major. I hope, you’ll enjoy it. Wieland Finally, as a kind of „non-AI proof“ I also attached my „working score“ from which the MIDI is generated. It is nearly unreadable and of cause not intended for playing but shows in detail all dynamics, articulations, agogics etc. I applied to achieve the final recording. Praeludium-XXI-B-flat-major-accordion-mix.mp3 Praeludium-XXI-B-flat-major-accordion-with-coversheet.pdf WORKING-SCORE-P21.pdf

Thank you, for that example. I find it interesting, that phrygian and lydian fit so well together. I usually thought that was caused due to they are the both „extremas“ in mood – lydian the brightest one and phrygian the darkest (if taking the unusual locrian away ...). But the occurrence of all 12 chromatic steps in this combination was new to me and might be the better argument. There is, perhaps, another example for the usage (or even abuse?) of modes within a piece of tonal music – which I think is merely used for „technical reasons“: Transposing a fugue subject, which is initially major or minor, to one of the other modes. I first heard about this “trick” when I read an in-depth analysis of Shostakovich’s fugues (Op. 87) in comparison to the fugues from the “Well-Tempered Clavier”: Shostakovich often uses fugue subject entries in modes, whereas Bach does not. Ever since then, whenever I encounter harmonic problems with my fugue subjects while creating the counterpoint—especially when composing strettos—I always try to figure out whether I could alter some of the pitches in the original subject so that they fit better with the respective harmony or key, but by no means arbitrarily; rather, in such a way that the subject is “correctly” transposed into one of the other modes. Here is a short passage of the fugato in my Prelude XXI in B flat major, whichs tonality in the four bars is around G major (with also harmonies in C minor and D# major). However, the four subject entries in this stretto consist of Subject 2 in G major (soprano) Subject 1 in G major (alto) Subject 1 in B phrygian (tenor) and Subject 2 in A flat lydian (bass) which altogether finally stabilize the above mentioned G major tonality of the section. (Interestingly, there is also a combination of phrygian and lydian here – while not on the same pitch). p21--bars-65-69.mp3

Today I present the next prelude from my 24 preludes and fugues project. I composed it during the last few weeks as the „sketch“ for the current YCF Summer Competition „From Nothing, to Something“. For those who are not familiar with that competition (yet), the task is „to take the text from Paul Verlaine’s summer poem “Donc, ce sera par un clair jour d'été,” (So, on a bright summer day it shall be) and turn it into a piece!“. So the major challenge of this competition was not only to move from “nothing” to “something,” but I also tried to find a musical form that could capture this process of “searching”: When a composer has trouble coming up with a brilliant idea for a new piece, it sometimes takes several attempts, each of which yields different individual ideas. And there are some pieces that consist of several ideas that have been “glued” together, ultimately resulting in something like a “collage song.” I’m thinking, for example, of “A Day in the Life” by the Beatles or “Band on the Run” by Paul McCartney and Wings. However, there also exists such a kind of piece in Bach’s Welltempered Clavier, the Prelude VII in E-flat major, BWV 852. That particular prelude starts with a short section with runs of 32th notes, followed by a „more serious“ part in slow motion, that reminds me at a „chorale“. The third and longest part is a fugato with two subjects that further develops the ideas from the first two sections. With this particular Bach prelude in mind, I had thus found the model for the form and structure of my own prelude: 00:00 (mm. 1-14) The first section is an „improvisation“ which introduces the warm key of B-flat major. 00:34 (mm. 15-29) The second Adagio section could be a „chorale“ and is used to set the first stanza of the poem to music. Since I don’t speak a word of French and have no idea how the syllables are rhythmicized, I looked at Gabriel Fauré’s setting of the poem in his Op. 61, No. 7 to find out which words are pronounced or sung briefly and which are longer. As an interesting fact, I discovered that Fauré had actually chosen the same key, B-flat major, that I had chosen before. 01:31 (mm. 30-90) The third and longest section is a fugato based on two subjects, interspersed by further stanzas of the poem. The first subject quotes the first four-note motif of the „improvisation“ section and develops it further, paired with the second subject, thus creating a joyful and dance-like mood. 04:22 (mm. 91-114) The prelude finishes with a coda – or better to say – with a recapitulation of the „improvisation“ from the first section. Now in a more melancholic way, meandering between minor and major. I hope, you’ll enjoy it. Wieland Praeludium-XIII-F-sharp-major-with-coversheet.pdf Praeludium-XXI-B-flat-major-piano-abbey-steinway.mp3 Praeludium-XXI-B-flat-major-with-coversheet.pdf

Thank you, very much. I just had to read that sentence twice before understanding its significance (because I’m not so familiar with Brahms): You are completely right, I tried to involve the hymn not as prominent (and rhythmically unchanged) in the upper voice, but rather use its melody as support for the harmonies and the texture of the prelude! The other approach, to use the melody from the anthem as a „cantus firmus“ can be found in the corresponding Fugue XIII in G flat/F sharp major.

https://youtu.be/WIhxGSZg3o8?is=r0hzizjIDZH48DkL There is no obligation or pressure from me to respond. I just hope you found it constructive. Learning the art of composition is a processes of continual refinement over years of practice. Perfectionism is our enemy; and hindsight is our therapy.

@Markus Boyd Sorry, it's not that I've dropped the conversation (because you've cornered me into a checkmate!! ha! ... It's a light-hearted kid, folks. Don't take me seriously.😁). This conversation started around the time my semester at my conservatory started getting piled with academic pursuits and assignments. (Graduation recital prep. and all that jazz!) This weekened, I will get back to you on your points; which I've read.

Hello. A brilliant piece of work. I have to say I really liked it. It strikes me as fresh, well-crafted and natural all at once. I think the three movements complement each other. There’s just one thing I wouldn’t have done – though this is purely a matter of personal preference – and that’s repeating the opening section in the first movement. I know it’s a sonata, but this sort of piece, with such an ‘progressive’ musical character – constantly adding new elements and moving forward – doesn’t need a literal repetition. Besides, the length of the movements is just right. The first movement reminded me very much of one composer: Charles Ives. Mind you, I’m not drawing a direct parallel, as that composer’s textures were quite intense. Well, one always tries to find points of reference. And I love Ives. I found the second movement beautiful – nostalgic at first, and reflective in the second part. And the third… I liked the twist you’ve introduced here, which (this time, YES, in my view) is a neoclassical-neobaroque homage. Congratulations on your work.

Hello @Seni-G! I apologize for straying from the music itself, but I wanted to start by mentioning your profile picture. It is absolutely lovely! How are your children and family doing? I imagine the kids have grown quite a bit by now. It captures musical elements and family life beautifully—and the fact that you’re smiling at your child rather than looking at the keyboard is wonderful. That photo truly embodies the feeling that "Everything In Its Right Place," haha! As for the piece itself, the two people above have already left such excellent comments that there isn't much left for me to add in depth. Regarding the Allegro, I got a vibe reminiscent of Kapustin—especially around the 0:04 mark. I’m sorry I can’t recall the specific track right now, but if I find it, I’ll edit this post to include it. Of course, the note density and tempo are different. It’s packed with ideas—including the development around 6:49—but I did feel it was a bit long for a casual listen. It might be good to try condensing it—prioritizing the elements you most want to express, trimming the rest, and ensuring a smooth flow. Of the three movements, the Largo was my favorite. I imagine that if performed on an actual piano, the nuances of the timing and pauses would come through beautifully! Best, Lithl.