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I changed the recapitulation today. The arpeggios are now mostly in the violins, with only the root notes in the harp. I also elaborated the flute part: so it's now playing almost continuous alternate arpeggios on top. I wonder if this flute part is a step too far? It may be distracting from the main melody? Anyway the new material starts around 4'20", and I also made several other tweaks throughout the piece. (Please ignore the messy slurs: these are only temporary.) Rachmaninoff - Elegie in E♭ minor (orchestration) #30 (midi).mp3 Rachmaninoff - Elegie in E♭ minor (orchestration) #30 (midi).pdf

Hello, Not sure if it's just me...but the link you provided worked when I listened yesterday, but stopped working today. I was looking forward to listening again...Anyways, will check again later.

Hello Thank you for sharing this and recording it live. I’m a huge fan of the nocturnes. It doesn’t really matter where exactly the ‘imagery’ for the piece comes from, as it immediately exudes a sense of Romanticism. It’s a beautiful piece; the harmonic shifts come just where the drama is needed... Best regards.

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Thx it was composed on the piano and I was still developing my understanding of serialism.

A lovely ... work. French impressionistic style with Lush harmonies ... inviting melodies. Well crafted in that it moves along gently and creates energy/anticipation in the same breath. Wonderful dialogue between the viola and piano. Kudos ... Mark

Great job Luis! By sustaining notes and using mixed articulations, you've managed to disguise the changes in timbre so they're not jarring. Also creating a richer sound in the process. I will definitely experiment with something similar.

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Hello A number of interesting topics. I’m speaking from a position of inexperience and, more to the point, as I’m still learning, so all of this is just suggestions or other possible options. As I said, it sounds brilliant as it is. Firstly, the issue of transposition for orchestra. I agree with what your teacher (your piano teacher, that is) said. But I think we need to consider making things easier for the instrumentalists. Another point is that it doesn’t really matter to us. It’s going to sound the same, at least in the context of virtual instrument libraries. But the reality is that in this key of E flat minor, it’s more complicated for the strings because there are no open strings; they have to ‘press down’ with their fingers all the time, losing resonance, and so on… I can see problems for the harp too, because being tuned to six flats puts a lot of strain on it. And changes may be more difficult. I think the woodwinds would be most comfortable with this. This key is rarely used in the orchestral repertoire, and I think it’s sought after for dark, tragic, profound tones. Perhaps it would suit something like the Elegy. As far as I’m aware, in the symphonic repertoire, the only works in E-flat minor are by Russian composers: Prokofiev’s Symphony No. 6, Rimsky-Korsakov’s Symphony No. 1 (which he himself transposed to E minor later), and a few others. The other issue, that of arpeggios… You see, in my orchestration classes and seminars we’ve discussed this quite a lot, as well as Alberti basses, etc… How do you adapt them for an orchestra? As I said in my previous message, a literal translation can, of course, work, because there are instruments capable of playing those arpeggios. However, we’re now dealing with an orchestra. It doesn’t have to be a single instrument that does everything. The important thing, I believe, is that the rhythm is clearly marked (with accents and pizzicato, for example), and that the figures are in the appropriate pitches and note values for each instrument. This is also where the question of how faithful one wants to be to the original score comes into play. That’s down to personal preference; we can be very literal, or we can take the main ideas and create an orchestral version. It’s true that for some scores I find it less appropriate to take liberties (for example, when orchestrating Baroque counterpoint), I’ve written these few bars in one possible arrangement, which I’m sure could be improved; I also think it would sound softer on the strings, especially with mutes. Haha, in the very first lessons I had on all this, we worked on Mozart and pieces like that, precisely to translate those piano accompaniments into something else. Cheers. Proyecto.mp3

Thanks Tristan, I'm glad you like the balance between strings and winds, as this is something I've been striving for in my orchestrations! Alex

Hi Luis. Yes I did consider transposing to E minor; but then I remembered what my old piano teacher used to say. He told me: "there's no such thing as a hard key; you just have to think yourself into it". May be this applies more to pianists than musicians at large, I don't know? I did also think about splitting the arpeggios between instruments, and tried this in an earlier draft. Problem is, the arpeggios have a very wide span: so I had to use three different woodwind instruments to cover all the notes. This sounded bad, because they all had different timbres. Also considered using marimba; but again it can't cover the whole span. Maybe I could get away with it in the strings. Perhaps using pizz.; or a mixture of pizz. and arco? Will give it a try. The other option would be to change the arpeggios. I've done this a little bit in the flute part during the recapitulation, where I've added notes that don't exist in the original. Could probably take this further: so that's another thing I'll try. Many thanks for listening and commenting, Alex

Hello @MK_Piano Form: You have succeeded ABA form nicely. I love mini cadenza in the middle section. Your piece reminds of Chopin nocturne! Theme: you have strong sense of lyricism in your writing. It flows so easily. Harmony and texture: the bass line texture definitely is something Chopin would do ! I have a strong sense this was inspired by chopin!

Hello That sounds fantastic. I just have one ‘objection’: the harp, as an almost literal substitute for the piano, doesn’t strike me as an orchestral solution. Piano arpeggios can be achieved in other ways using woodwinds or strings, or by combining them in a way that’s true to the instrument’s character, whilst maintaining the voice leading and rhythmic patterns. That would sound more symphonic. Yes, it takes a lot more effort to find the right solution, but it’s worth it. When I try to orchestrate piano pieces, I simply don’t use the harp. Perhaps later on, as an occasional supporting element or in specific moments…

Nice! I love this, and have personally performed the original. You might want to give the harp some rest though lol. The strings and woodwinds are rather equal, which is great! Good job! -TristanTheTristan

I'm not done with the score for this yet: so please forgive the sloppy notation. Just hoping to get some comments on my orchestration choices before I finalise it. I know there are arrangements of this piano work for various ensembles; but I couldn't find one for symphony orchestra: so I thought I'd make one. Hope you enjoy listening! Rachmaninoff - Elegie in E♭ minor (orchestration) #26 (midi).mp3 Rachmaninoff - Elegie in E♭ minor (orchestration) #26 (midi).pdf

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Wow, my friend, thank you so much for this! ❤️ I honestly didn’t expect it, and it means a lot to me. Being described as a “Meticulous Composer” is a particularly meaningful compliment, because I really do care deeply about the smallest details in my music — from the interaction between the hands and the articulation to the harmonic choices and the overall character of a piece. I’m especially touched that you chose the Sonata No. 26 as an example, but even more by the fact that you see this quality throughout my work. After all, these pieces are a very personal part of my musical journey. Thank you again for your kindness and support, my friend. I’m genuinely grateful to have my music appreciated in such a thoughtful way. ❤️

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Oh! These are great badges! Thank you @PeterthePapercomPoser and the support team! I like the designs for "Synthesizer Wizard," "Gentlefolk," and "Stimulator" are especially wonderful! Very nice! Also, adding this text to the first post in this topic ( @PeterthePapercomPoser's post listing the awards) might make things clearer! By the way, there is someone I would like to nominate for a badge, so I’ll take this opportunity to mention it here. Person's name: @Vasilis Michael Badge: Meticulous Composer Topic for the badge: https://www.youngcomposers.com/t50201/sonata-no-26-in-a-major-binary/ Reason: I think the piano composition itself is crafted with incredible precision—including the interplay between the left and right hands. Furthermore, the piano playback is really amazing; the articulation and sound clarity reflect that same meticulous attention to detail, which is why I wanted to award him this badge. His pieces are always wonderful, after all :) Best, Lithl.

Ah, I see. I’ll try to revise it so that it can be played. Thank you sincerely for the feedback.

A magnificent piece: I love it! Especially the way it combines Baroque counterpoint with a modern harmonic language. The only problem is, it's unplayable in places. Bars 28 and 35 to name but two examples. Human hands cannot reach all those notes! Also Page 2 would benefit from having the left hand in treble clef most of the time; otherwise you have too many ledger lines to read. The notation is generally quite confusing to the eye. This is partly down to the voice allocations. Bar 47 is a good example. The lower notes in the right hand would be far easier to read if they were merged into the left hand. The upper notes in right hand voice 2 should be in voice 1, and the B natural is unplayable. Definitely worth revising this piece to fix these problems, as I think the composition is very good. It would be a difficult piece to pull off; but could be made playable for sure. Btw, the audio sounds strangely muffled sometimes. Not sure what's happened there? Anyway, hope that helps. Alex

In the Mega Man series, Dr. Wily modifies Dr. Light’s robots and makes them fight against the protagonist. I wrote this piece in my third year, second semester, as a kind of musical “attack” aimed at a senior I really wanted to beat at the time. 😂 It’s a piece I created by modifying and reworking works by Christophe Bertrand and Niccolò Paganini. But I ended up losing and came in second place.