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Sonata form according to Messiaen
Luis Hernández posted a topic in Composers' HeadquartersMany classic forms were adapted in the 20th century. New ones were invented. Messiaen's musical world is amazing. Check what intervals are the best for him to build a cadence! Regarding the sonata, he says: "having written some absolutely regular sonata-allegros, we shall state that one thing in that form has become obsolete: the recapitulation. Then we shall try once more to keep what is most essential: the development. there are two in a sonata-allegro: the middle, modulating development; the terminal development, generally built over understood dominant and tonic pedals. We shall be able to write pieces made of this terminal development alone". And he gives this example from les Enfants de Dieu (from la Nativité du Seigneur): First element over a dominant pedal in B major and development A great fortissimo cry upon a sort of schema with augmentation of the theme A tender phrase, forming the conclusion, established over a tonic pedal in B major. You can hear this part here: In his writings, he gives additional examples of this kind of technique and new "free forms proceeding from the development of the sonata-allegro". Some thoughts about all this: Having in mind that tonality in Messiaen cannot be understood in strictly classic ways, he uses a contemporary technique (as Debussy did) to establish tonal centers and a relationship between them: the pedal tone. It's interesting how Messiaen is not interested at all in parts without development, ruling out at first glance the recapitulation ("obsolete") because it has no modulation nor development. It's also interesting how he takes only a section (or better said, the concept of a section) of the sonata-allegro, to build up his own coherent form. In my opinion, this is related to the big idea in Messiaen of "progressive music": non retrogradable rhythms or added values, non transposable modes... All of them have to be with that idea on not allowing the music to fall in the repetition patterns where classic music had rely on. This is just an example of what Messiaen did with forms. He talks about fugue, an other forms he was interested in, some of them fresh and new (Bird son), some old (plainchant). Is this concept interesting for you? For me, it is. It opens more possibilities of organising music material.
This is a work for SATB Choir and Piano that I wrote in 2017 for a competition. It's a moving work, and I would love to see it performed someday.
Masterclass: THEORY 301 - Messiaen
Monarcheon posted a topic in MasterclassesMasterclass #2: Olivier Messiaen - Compositional Techniques Instructor: @Luis Hernández Instructors should file the following information: Students Allowing: Initial Writing Requirement: Initial Writing Requirement Deadline: Composition Guidelines:
Talea and Color, am I doing it right?
kly45 posted a topic in Composers' HeadquartersOh hey everyone, I haven't been on this thing for ages. I am at uni now, studying composition among other things. For one of my assignments we have two different ways we can compose our piece. 1st - Using archetypal shapes or phrases that get repeated with variation, in the style of Syrinx by Debussy. 2nd - Talea and Color in the style of Messiaen. Chord patterns that phase in and out of the pulse of the beat. Here is my idea, i'm going with option 2 btw. I have a 12 tone row which is basically a set of four major and minor triads. The idea is that the base holds the route, once the rest of the triad is played, the bass then moves to the route of the next chord, basically creating three chords per bar rather than two. Here's an example. As you can see in the attached file, it appears as though the chords are: (F+ maj) - (space) - (Cmaj) When in reality because of the held on F+ there are three chords (F+maj) - (F+, E, G) - (Cmaj). The piece continues like this with the route in the bass and the response in the violin and viola being separated. Eventually the viola's rhythm is augmented (x 0.5) and the violin's diminished (x0.5) which creates the middle and the top line phasing in and out with the bass line. Sorry if that's a lot to take in, but is this an example of a talea and color? Is this technically an example of a modern passacaglia? I need to know i'm on the right track. Thanks